[DeTomaso] Windsor Cleveland water pump difference?

[Julian Kift]

By the look of it that's a mechanical pump, not electric? I'd be surprised if it bolts up to a Cleveland block.

 

Most electric pumps in use on mid engine cars are remote pumps. Personally I use the Meziere 55 gpm model, but I'm sure the Stewart products are equally as good. I am currently 3/4 the way through converting the GT40 and to keep it simple with t-stat, by-pass and heater hoses I simply took a std water pump and sweated the impeller off, removed the shaft, cut down the nose and welded a plate over the end to create a plenum that functions as per oem except the water velocity is coming from the remote mounted pump. No fitment issues or hose rerouting and it will allow me to have a completely flat bulkhead now.

 

Davies, Craig also sell a pump controller that is a variable speed controller + fan switch effectively acting like a t-stat to regulate at your desired set temperature. This combats the only real negative of a electric pump, i.e. fixed volume so it's not running 55gpm at idle and WOT.

 

Julian
 
> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2009 06:31:27 -0800
> From: kenn_green at yahoo.com
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; JDeRyke at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Windsor Cleveland water pump difference?
> 
> Jack,
>  
>     I have a Stewart Pro Series water pump that is shaped more like the electric pumps than a standard Ford pump:
>  
> http://www.stewartcomponents.net/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=STE14000&Category_Code=ProSeriesWaterPumps
>  
>     I'm guess that it will bolt up, but I'm not sure how the thermostat circuit comes into play.  I'm wondering if I do the remote thermostat as in John Taphorn's article, is there an issue?
>  
> Ken
> 
> --- On Thu, 11/12/09, JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> From: JDeRyke at aol.com <JDeRyke at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Windsor Cleveland water pump difference?
> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Thursday, November 12, 2009, 11:06 PM
> 
> 
> In a message dated 11/12/09 4:40:40 PM, kenn_green at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> > I noticed that the same electric pumps appear to be used on both Windsors 
> > and Clevelands.  Is the only difference in the stanard pumps related to 
> > the Cleveland thermostat?
> > 
> The physical shape of the 351C and 351-W pumps are different requiring 
> different gaskets and bolt lengths. They can not interchange. Electric pumps on 
> the other hand are adapted units and thus CAN fit either block if you go to 
> the trouble of doing so. Some electric pumps don't even bolt to the engine 
> but are in-line on a water pipe or attach directly to the radiator, so what 
> block is used has no influence. I have little experience with electric water 
> pumps beyond having seen two in operation. Both were attached to 351-C 
> engines and both engines were in a mild state of tune, thus not generating much 
> extra heat. Good luck with this major adaption- J Deryke
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