[DeTomaso] need advice before I cry

Mon Nov 2 06:45:34 EST 2009

Thanks for that great advice.  I used to throw and break things when I got frustrated, but since I put my hand through a window one day, I have found it is less expensive not to do that.  Since I never really expect the car to leave my garage ever again under its own power, it is less stressful.  

From: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
To: justingreisberg at hotmail.com; michaelsavga at gmail.com
CC: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] need advice before I cry
Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 02:14:58 +0000

Justin, repeat after me, "I will not throw tools.  I will not throw tools in my garage.  I will not throw tools at my car.  I will not throw tools at my dog.  I will try really hard (well sorta hard) not to hit the cat."

Now, that you feel better.  Show this to your wife!!!

Dear wife,  "I feel really bad.  I need a hug.  I need a really big hug."  Your loving husband, Justie

And, Justin, now that foreplay is over, you may proceed to the next step.

> From: justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> To: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:59:43 -0800
> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] need advice before I cry
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> thanks for the thoughts. 
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> I did have the rear up. I ended up putting 6 gallons of antifreeze mix in last month and seemed to get the air out first time around. My first thought was air in the system, but the thermostat always eventually opens up. this time it did not. 
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> By the way, the simple thought of removing the heads makes me want to cry. That means removing and reinstalling fuel injection lines, intake, adjustable valvetrain, alternator. lots of work which is hard to do in car AND hard to do when you just spent the last year doing it. 
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> justin
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> > To: justingreisberg at hotmail.com
> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] need advice before I cry
> > From: michaelsavga at gmail.com
> > Date: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 01:53:26 +0000
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> > Sounds like air to me. Did you jack up the rear when you filled it? Go head and drain all fluids remove heads have them checked if fine reassemble. With standard 180 thermostat Re wet with all fluids. Run it for 15 minutes. Jack it up in the rear. Open both tanks when you can add 50 50 mix until it overflows. Start it with caps off. Watch. Let it run 5 min. And lower it. Now cap it. Drive for 20 min. Bring it home. Let it cool. Open caps and check levels. Michael
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> > From: Justin Greisberg <justingreisberg at hotmail.com>
> > Date: Sun, 1 Nov 2009 17:15:59 
> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] need advice before I cry
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> > i am getting toward final stages of my restoration -- spent lots of time and money getting engine together, and ran it for first time a month ago. ran fine, thermostat opened, and I think I got all air out of system.
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> > Today ran it for second time, getting ready to take maiden voyage around neighborhood. Temp gauge in dash climbs gradually up to 190, then keeps going. I have a second temp sensor hooked up to EFI system in thermostat upper pipe, and that reads 160, so I figure must be air in block still and run it a little more. Dash gauge temp goes steadily up to 260 (end of reading), and temp sensor in upper pipe remains at 180. car runs fine, and I wonder if dash gauge is no good (but it worked fine on maiden run few weeks ago).
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> > Then steam comes out valve breather cap and water starts leaking out head gasket just a little, so I shut off. 
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> > The upper thermostat pipe got hot, the expansion tank got hot but did not pressurize and the radiator did not get hot. All new everything. 
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> > What the heck happened? Only thing I can figure is that my new moto rad fail safe cleveland thermostat (not windsor) which opened fine last month, did not open, and engine cooked itself. I have these nice CHI aluminum heads (mucho Dollars) and now I pray they survived.
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> > Any freakin thoughts what is wrong here? 
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> > I have a third temp sensor in the water pump itself, and that also read 160-180 the whole time! But I have heard that sensors in the pump are not reliable because of the turbulence there. 
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> > Justin
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