[DeTomaso] (NPC)Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

Wed May 27 18:23:11 EDT 2009

Why does everyone deserve adequate health care?  What is adequate health
care?  Who gets to decide what's adequate?  There is this misperception or
out right lie out there that if you don't have health insurance then you
don't have health care.  Adequate Health care is now available to every
citizen of the United States but what is really being twisted is that
adequate is being redefined to mean equal health care. This is where we're
supposed to start feeling guilty because we may have access to different
resources than others.  Well I'm sorry, I don't feel guilty, I feel blessed
and I'm willing to coach others on how I used personal responsibility, hard
work, fiscal responsibility and don't expect anyone else to take care of me
or pay my way in life.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 11:58 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

"What would be even more fair is that everyone work
hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally 
responsible,
prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit 
blaming
others,"

I totally agree with you.  The only thing the gov't does for me is take 
1/3 of my income every year. By the time I retire Medicare will be 
broke and Social Security will be "means tested"-- in otherwords a 
welfare system-- so I will never get a penny from it. So I am planning 
for my own retirement.

But to say health care is the same as everything else in life is not 
honest or realistic.
Not everyone deserve to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but everyone deserves 
adequate (not gold-plated) health care.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 9:45 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars 
sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

How about we get the gov to pay for everything to make everything 
fair......now
what was that called?????? Oh yea communism.  Maybe the ORR circuit 
should apply
to the gov for funds so that everyone got the same amount of money to 
pay for
their HOBBY.  That would be fair.....oh wait then we would have to do 
something
about driver's skill.  What to do... what to do....  I've got it...Gov 
supplied
cruise and satellite speed controls....yea that would be fair.  
Everybody could
just cross the finish line together.

I've got a radical idea.  What would be even more fair is that everyone 
work
hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally 
responsible,
prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit 
blaming
others, "the man", the system, the gov, the dems, the repubs or 
anything or
anyone else in an attempt to shift responsibility from themselves.  
Some call it
personal responsibility.

Just a thought on what my idea of fair is

Lynn, doing everything I can to retire at 52

-----Original Message-----
 From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com 
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars 
sitting in
your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

If everyone has their medical care paid for with tax dollars, it would be
fair It's not fair is some people retire at 52 and some at 67

-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com <pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 8:38 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

But you don't mind paying for all his medical bills with your tax dollars???

-----Original Message-----
 From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:03 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

I don't hate anyone-- I just don't think it's fair and don't want to pay for
it with my tax bailout dollars.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.  He signed up for a plan that allowed
him to do that - change the rules...

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From: "pantdino at aol.com" <pantdino at aol.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:36:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

That's my understanding, too.  No company can survive paying for full health
care for its workers and its retirees, especially when they "retire" after
30 years.  A friend's brother retired at 52 with full health care for the
rest of his life. How can they afford that? They can't, as we have now
learned.

Why should he be able to retire at 52 when the rest of us have to work until
65 or 67?

-----Original Message-----
From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 5:21 p
m
Subject: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting in
your  garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

i would prefer to buy a car (or anything, for that matter), from a company
whose ceo's earn only 30 times what their employees make, instead of 300
times.  ya, i am a pinko commie, remember?  so, while i happen to think,
cars sold in america manufactured by companies who are based in america, do
not compare, for the most part, to cars made by non-usa owned companies, i
likely still wouldn't w anna buy them even if i thought they weren't bad
deals.

but, what is sinking the american auto industry isn't the fact that their
ceo's are overpaid, or even the fact that their product isn't as good.  (way
too many hillbillies in this country that will buy anything as long as it's
made in the
usa.)  ;~)  it's the fact that the commie pinko auto trade unions were able
to demand and  get healthcare & retirement packages for themselves.  the
rest of the commie pinko industrialized world, (ya know:  france, germany,
japan, canada - pinko places like that?), well those pinko places all have
universal health care, so the companies there don't have to pick up the
tab...  if the usa had commie pinko single-payer healthcare, gm & chrysler
would still be stong & turning a profit...  making that dreck...  :>)

ymmv,=0
D

doug s.,
'72 de tomaso panera
'78 ducati darmah
'85.5 alfa romeo gtv6 3.0
'95 buell s2 (america, love it or leave it!  yeah!)
'04 scion xb

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