[DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

Wed May 27 13:59:28 EDT 2009

Why is it no one ever says, Lets stop our Government from sending Billions $$$ to foreign aid and use that money here in the good ole USA!  I feel bad for those Countries but we need to take CARE of our own FIRST!
OK, flame suit on
--- On Wed, 5/27/09, Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com> wrote:

From: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
To: pantdino at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Wednesday, May 27, 2009, 10:19 AM

Again, as a former health care consultant I can assure you that many things
can be made better. But, also as a former health care consultant, I know
that A HUGE chunk (last I heard, vast majority) of health care dollars are
going to treat preventable diseases like, lung disease due to smoking,
obesity related diseases (i.e. diabetes, high blood pressure, heart
disease), drug addiction.  

I don't want my tax dollars going to someone who cannot resist supersizing
every meal or smoking two packs a day or engage in other dangerous or self
destructive behavior. 

People keep thinking that government healthcare is going to be free, or even
cheaper.  It will be more expensive and worse....much worse.  I guarantee
that in twenty years you will be saying "what the hell, I'm paying 2/3 of my
income to taxes and I my mom cannot even get dialysis.  I don't understand
why I need to work until 75 to pay for worse healthcare, worse retirement,
etc."

Where will "they" stop.  Doesn't everyone need adequate (not gold-plated)
housing or adequate (not gold plated) cable t.v. or adequate (not
gold-plated) transportation or (not gold-plated) job benefits, adequate (not
gold-plated) heating, adequate (not gold plated) clothing?  Who decides what
is adequate and (not gold plated) anything.  Just wait, every "want" will
become a "need" and every "need" will become a "right" because that it what
Europe (insert country of choice here) has.

I am enjoying the discussion but we probably need to take this off line.

Lynn

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:58 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars sitting
in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

"What would be even more fair is that everyone work
hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally 
responsible,
prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit 
blaming
others,"

I totally agree with you.  The only thing the gov't does for me is take 
1/3 of my income every year. By the time I retire Medicare will be 
broke and Social Security will be "means tested"-- in otherwords a 
welfare system-- so I will never get a penny from it. So I am planning 
for my own retirement.

But to say health care is the same as everything else in life is not 
honest or realistic.
Not everyone deserve to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but everyone deserves 
adequate (not gold-plated) health care.

Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 9:45 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars 
sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

How about we get the gov to pay for everything to make everything 
fair......now
what was that called?????? Oh yea communism.  Maybe the ORR circuit 
should apply
to the gov for funds so that everyone got the same amount of money to 
pay for
their HOBBY.  That would be fair.....oh wait then we would have to do 
something
about driver's skill.  What to do... what to do....  I've got it...Gov 
supplied
cruise and satellite speed controls....yea that would be fair.  
Everybody could
just cross the finish line together.

I've got a radical idea.  What would be even more fair is that everyone 
work
hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally 
responsible,
prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit 
blaming
others, "the man", the system, the gov, the dems, the repubs or 
anything or
anyone else in an attempt to shift responsibility from themselves.  
Some call it
personal responsibility.

Just a thought on what my idea of fair is

Lynn, doing everything I can to retire at 52

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com 
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25 AM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars 
sitting in
your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

If everyone has their medical care paid for with tax dollars, it would
be fair
It's not fair is some people retire at 52 and some at 67

-----Original Message-----
From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com <pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com
<detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 8:38 am
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

But you don't mind paying for all his medical bills with your tax
dollars???

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
[mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:03 PM
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
sitting in
your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

I don't hate anyone-- I just don't think it's fair and don't want to
pay for it with my tax bailout dollars.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 8:55 pm
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

Don't hate the playa, hate the game.  He signed up for a plan that
allowed him to do that - change the rules...

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From: "pantdino at aol.com" <pantdino at aol.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:36:37 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

That's my understanding, too.  No company can survive paying for full
health care for its workers and its retirees, especially when they
"retire" after 30 years.  A friend's brother retired at 52 with full
health care for the rest of his life. How can they afford that? They
can't, as we have now learned.

Why should he be able to retire at 52 when the rest of us have to work
until 65 or 67?

-----Original Message-----
From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com
Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 5:21 p
m
Subject: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
sitting in your
garages? (was: How can this happen in America)

i would prefer to buy a car (or anything, for that matter), from a
company whose
ceo's earn only 30 times what their employees make, instead of 300
times.  ya, i
am a pinko commie, remember?  so, while i happen to think, cars sold in
america
manufactured by companies who are based in america, do not compare, for
the most
part, to cars made by non-usa owned companies, i likely still wouldn't
w
anna buy
them even if i thought they weren't bad deals.

but, what is sinking the american auto industry isn't the fact that
their ceo's
are overpaid, or even the fact that their product isn't as good.  (way
too many
hillbillies in this country that will buy anything as long as it's made
in the
usa.)  ;~)  it's the fact that the commie pinko auto trade unions were
able to
demand and
get healthcare & retirement packages for themselves.  the
rest of the
commie pinko industrialized world, (ya know:  france, germany, japan,
canada -
pinko places like that?), well those pinko places all have universal
health
care, so the companies there don't have to pick up the tab...  if the
usa had
commie pinko single-payer healthcare, gm & chrysler would still be
stong &
turning a profit...  making that dreck...  :>)

ymmv,=0
D

doug s.,
'72 de tomaso panera
'78 ducati darmah
'85.5 alfa romeo gtv6 3.0
'95 buell s2 (america, love it or leave it!  yeah!)
'04 scion xb

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