[DeTomaso] NPC Re: Deserves Healthcare?
asajay at asajay.com
asajay at asajay.com
Wed May 27 13:50:22 EDT 2009
I'd like to make a note here, that I took this conversation OFF LINE
with the original poster. See header of "Original Message" from me
below. I double checked my SENT message and the email forum was -not-
included. The Original poster has elected to "redistribute" it to the
list. Though I don't mind others seeing my view, I felt the
conversation needed to be taken away from the list.
Bad dog, no biscuit for you.
Asa Jay
Quoting pantdino at aol.com:
>
> Sorry, I'm too busy seeing patients in my office so I can fund my own
> retirement to write more now.
> I'll do some later
>
> Jim
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asajay at asajay.com
> To: pantdino at aol.com
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:26 am
> Subject: Deserves Healthcare?
>
>
> I disagree,
>
> I think everyone should have equal -access- to adequate healthcare, but
> I don't necessarily believe everyone "deserves" it. To use your own
> words, not everyone deserves to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but they CAN
> if they want and have the means to do it (usually more money).
>
> Does a person who has voluntarily smoked all their life "deserve" to
> get a new lung? Does a person who has voluntarily been drunk all their
> life, and probably will continue to be, "deserve" a new Liver?
>
> I don't think so. But if they can find the means to pay for it, fine.
> Just don't ask me to PAY for the poor choices someone else made.
>
> I believe the idea that everyone "deserves" adequate healthcare is a
> misplaced sentiment, and only works in a responsible society that
> doesn't engage in irresponsible actions. Unfortunately we don't live in
> a Utopia free of war, crime, hatred and disdain for reasonable law.
> Therefore, we will -always- have people who will take advantage of any
> and all loopholes they can.
>
> ... like the mother who schedules her pregnancies to coincide with her
> expiring welfare
> benefit, so she can continue to stay on welfare for
> the rest of her life (at leat until she can't get pregnant anymore).
> Does she really "deserve" the benefit? No, she's "using" the system,
> living off the hard work of you and me.
>
> I have to tell you, sometimes I think I should just quit my job, sell
> most of my assets and live off the government programs like so many
> other folks. Better yet, there's the idea of renouncing citizenship and
> becoming an illegal alien in order to get everything for free. That's
> not really what I want to do though. I enjoy my job, my family and my
> lifestyle. I just get tired of others trying to take from me, just
> because I don't live in Robin Hood's forest.
>
> Sorry, kind of went tangent there. Again, I don't think everyone
> "deserves" adequate healthcare, but does deserve equal access.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting pantdino at aol.com:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> "What would be even more fair is that everyone work
>> hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally
>> responsible,
>> prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit
>> blaming
>> others,"
>>
>> I totally agree with you. The only thing the gov't does for me is
> take
>> 1/3 of my income every year. By the time I retire Medicare will be
>> broke and Social Security will be "means tested"--
> in otherwords a
>> welfare system-- so I will never get a penny from it. So I am
> planning
>> for my own retirement.
>>
>> But to say health care is the same as everything else in life is not
>> honest or realistic.
>> Not everyone deserve to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but everyone
> deserves
>> adequate (not gold-plated) health care.
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
>> To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 9:45 am
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>>
>>
>> How about we get the gov to pay for everything to make everything
>> fair......now
>> what was that called?????? Oh yea communism. Maybe the ORR circuit
>> should apply
>> to the gov for funds so that everyone got the same amount of money to
>> pay for
>> their HOBBY. That would be fair.....oh wait then we would have to do
>> something
>> about driver's skill. What to do... what to do.... I've got it...Gov
>> supplied
>> cruise and satellite speed controls....yea that would be fair.
>> Everybody could
>> just cross the finish line together.
>>
>> I've got a radical idea. What would be even more fair=2
> 0is that
> everyone
>> work
>> hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally
>> responsible,
>> prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit
>> blaming
>> others, "the man", the system, the gov, the dems, the repubs or
>> anything or
>> anyone else in an attempt to shift responsibility from themselves.
>> Some call it
>> personal responsibility.
>>
>> Just a thought on what my idea of fair is
>>
>> Lynn, doing everything I can to retire at 52
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>> Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25 AM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in
>> your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>> If everyone has their medical care paid for with tax dollars, it
> would
>> be fair
>> It's not fair is some people retire at 52 and some at 67
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
>> To: pantdino at aol.com <pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com
>> <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 8:38 am
>> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in your garages? (was:
> How can this happen in America)
>>
>>
>>
>> But you don't mind paying for all his medical bills with your tax
>> dollars???
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
>> Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:03 PM
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in
>> your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>> I don't hate anyone-- I just don't think it's fair and don't want to
>> pay for it with my tax bailout dollars.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
>> To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 8:55 pm
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Don't hate the playa, hate the game. He signed up for a plan that
>> allowed him to do that - change the rules...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----------
>> --------------------------------------------------
>> From: "pantdino at aol.com" <pantdino at aol.com>
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:36:37
> PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>>
>> That's my understanding, too. No company can survive paying for full
>> health care for its workers and its retirees, especially when they
>> "retire" after 30 years. A friend's brother retired at 52 with full
>> health care for the rest of his life. How can they afford that? They
>> can't, as we have now learned.
>>
>> Why should he be able to retire at 52 when the rest of us have to
> work
>> until 65 or 67?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
>> To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com
>> Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 5:21 p
>> m
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
>> sitting in your
>> garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> i would prefer to buy a car (or anything, for that matter), from a
>> company whose
>> ceo's earn only 30 times what their employees make, instead of 300
>> times. ya, i
>> am a pinko commie, remember? so, while i happen to think, cars sold
> in
>> america
>> manufactured by companies who
> are based in america, do not compare,
> for
>> the most
>> part, to cars made by non-usa owned companies, i likely still
> wouldn't
>> w
>> anna buy
>> them even if i thought they weren't bad deals.
>>
>> but, what is sinking the american auto industry isn't the fact that
>> their ceo's
>> are overpaid, or even the fact that their product isn't as good. (way
>> too many
>> hillbillies in this country that will buy anything as long as it's
> made
>> in the
>> usa.) ;~) it's the fact that the commie pinko auto trade unions were
>> able to
>> demand and
>> get healthcare & retirement packages for themselves. the
>> rest of the
>> commie pinko industrialized world, (ya know: france, germany, japan,
>> canada -
>> pinko places like that?), well those pinko places all have universal
>> health
>> care, so the companies there don't have to pick up the tab... if the
>> usa had
>> commie pinko single-payer healthcare, gm & chrysler would still be
>> stong &
>> turning a profit... making that dreck... :>)
>>
>> ymmv,=0
>> D
>>
>> doug s.,
>> '72 de tomaso panera
>> '78 ducati darmah
>> '85.5 alfa romeo gtv6 3.0
>> '95 buell s2 (america, love it or leave it! yeah!)
>> '04 scion xb
>>
>>
>>
>>
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