[DeTomaso] Deserves Healthcare?
pantdino at aol.com
pantdino at aol.com
Wed May 27 13:35:33 EDT 2009
Sorry, I'm too busy seeing patients in my office so I can fund my own
retirement to write more now.
I'll do some later
Jim
-----Original Message-----
From: asajay at asajay.com
To: pantdino at aol.com
Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 10:26 am
Subject: Deserves Healthcare?
I disagree,
I think everyone should have equal -access- to adequate healthcare, but
I don't necessarily believe everyone "deserves" it. To use your own
words, not everyone deserves to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but they CAN
if they want and have the means to do it (usually more money).
Does a person who has voluntarily smoked all their life "deserve" to
get a new lung? Does a person who has voluntarily been drunk all their
life, and probably will continue to be, "deserve" a new Liver?
I don't think so. But if they can find the means to pay for it, fine.
Just don't ask me to PAY for the poor choices someone else made.
I believe the idea that everyone "deserves" adequate healthcare is a
misplaced sentiment, and only works in a responsible society that
doesn't engage in irresponsible actions. Unfortunately we don't live in
a Utopia free of war, crime, hatred and disdain for reasonable law.
Therefore, we will -always- have people who will take advantage of any
and all loopholes they can.
... like the mother who schedules her pregnancies to coincide with her
expiring welfare
benefit, so she can continue to stay on welfare for
the rest of her life (at leat until she can't get pregnant anymore).
Does she really "deserve" the benefit? No, she's "using" the system,
living off the hard work of you and me.
I have to tell you, sometimes I think I should just quit my job, sell
most of my assets and live off the government programs like so many
other folks. Better yet, there's the idea of renouncing citizenship and
becoming an illegal alien in order to get everything for free. That's
not really what I want to do though. I enjoy my job, my family and my
lifestyle. I just get tired of others trying to take from me, just
because I don't live in Robin Hood's forest.
Sorry, kind of went tangent there. Again, I don't think everyone
"deserves" adequate healthcare, but does deserve equal access.
Asa Jay
Quoting pantdino at aol.com:
>
>
>
> "What would be even more fair is that everyone work
> hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally
> responsible,
> prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit
> blaming
> others,"
>
> I totally agree with you. The only thing the gov't does for me is
take
> 1/3 of my income every year. By the time I retire Medicare will be
> broke and Social Security will be "means tested"--
in otherwords a
> welfare system-- so I will never get a penny from it. So I am
planning
> for my own retirement.
>
> But to say health care is the same as everything else in life is not
> honest or realistic.
> Not everyone deserve to drive a Cadillac or BMW, but everyone
deserves
> adequate (not gold-plated) health care.
>
>
> Jim
>
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>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lynn Wall <cars at wt-inc.com>
> To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 9:45 am
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
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>
> How about we get the gov to pay for everything to make everything
> fair......now
> what was that called?????? Oh yea communism. Maybe the ORR circuit
> should apply
> to the gov for funds so that everyone got the same amount of money to
> pay for
> their HOBBY. That would be fair.....oh wait then we would have to do
> something
> about driver's skill. What to do... what to do.... I've got it...Gov
> supplied
> cruise and satellite speed controls....yea that would be fair.
> Everybody could
> just cross the finish line together.
>
> I've got a radical idea. What would be even more fair=2
0is that
everyone
> work
> hard, give an honest days work for an honest days pay, be fiscally
> responsible,
> prepare for their own retirement, take care of their own and quit
> blaming
> others, "the man", the system, the gov, the dems, the repubs or
> anything or
> anyone else in an attempt to shift responsibility from themselves.
> Some call it
> personal responsibility.
>
> Just a thought on what my idea of fair is
>
> Lynn, doing everything I can to retire at 52
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 10:25 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in
> your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>
> If everyone has their medical care paid for with tax dollars, it
would
> be fair
> It's not fair is some people retire at 52 and some at 67
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gray Gregory <rgg at gregorycook.com>
> To: pantdino at aol.com <pantdino at aol.com>; detomaso at realbig.com
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Wed, 27 May 2009 8:38 am
> Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in your garages? (was:
How can this happen in America)
>
>
>
> But you don't mind paying for all his medical bills with your tax
> dollars???
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
> Behalf Of pantdino at aol.com
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 11:03 PM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in
> your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>
> I don't hate anyone-- I just don't think it's fair and don't want to
> pay for it with my tax bailout dollars.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Stewart <bjbstewart at yahoo.com>
> To: pantdino at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 8:55 pm
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
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> Don't hate the playa, hate the game. He signed up for a plan that
> allowed him to do that - change the rules...
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> --------------------------------------------------
> From: "pantdino at aol.com" <pantdino at aol.com>
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Monday, May 25, 2009 6:36:37
PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in your garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
>
>
> That's my understanding, too. No company can survive paying for full
> health care for its workers and its retirees, especially when they
> "retire" after 30 years. A friend's brother retired at 52 with full
> health care for the rest of his life. How can they afford that? They
> can't, as we have now learned.
>
> Why should he be able to retire at 52 when the rest of us have to
work
> until 65 or 67?
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: doug sedon <sedond at yahoo.com>
> To: de tomaso digest <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: fresnofinches at aol.com
> Sent: Mon, 25 May 2009 5:21 p
> m
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Now, how many of you have import marque cars
> sitting in your
> garages? (was: How can this happen in America)
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> i would prefer to buy a car (or anything, for that matter), from a
> company whose
> ceo's earn only 30 times what their employees make, instead of 300
> times. ya, i
> am a pinko commie, remember? so, while i happen to think, cars sold
in
> america
> manufactured by companies who
are based in america, do not compare,
for
> the most
> part, to cars made by non-usa owned companies, i likely still
wouldn't
> w
> anna buy
> them even if i thought they weren't bad deals.
>
> but, what is sinking the american auto industry isn't the fact that
> their ceo's
> are overpaid, or even the fact that their product isn't as good. (way
> too many
> hillbillies in this country that will buy anything as long as it's
made
> in the
> usa.) ;~) it's the fact that the commie pinko auto trade unions were
> able to
> demand and
> get healthcare & retirement packages for themselves. the
> rest of the
> commie pinko industrialized world, (ya know: france, germany, japan,
> canada -
> pinko places like that?), well those pinko places all have universal
> health
> care, so the companies there don't have to pick up the tab... if the
> usa had
> commie pinko single-payer healthcare, gm & chrysler would still be
> stong &
> turning a profit... making that dreck... :>)
>
> ymmv,=0
> D
>
> doug s.,
> '72 de tomaso panera
> '78 ducati darmah
> '85.5 alfa romeo gtv6 3.0
> '95 buell s2 (america, love it or leave it! yeah!)
> '04 scion xb
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