[DeTomaso] Remote oil filter setup

[Steve Hawkins]

I was using a remote filter and air to oil cooler on mine but due to an oil
leak at the adaptor plate where it hooked to the original oil filter
location on the block (o-ring blew out), I took the adaptor off and
installed a new filter in the stock location.  I immediately noticed a
15-20psi increase in oil pressure.  This is with a stock oil pump.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of MikeLDrew at aol.com
Sent: Monday, May 04, 2009 4:14 PM
To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; charlesmccall at gmail.com; boyd411 at gmail.com;
detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Remote oil filter setup



In a message dated 5/4/09 13 42 5, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:


> Boyd came back offline and is apparently also installing an oil 
> cooler,
> but as a standalone I don't see a remote filter offering many advantages, 
> unless you are running a high performance motor that calls for a dual 
> filtration set up. The oil lines add complexity, increase oil pump load
and add 
> the risk of leaks or failure.
> 
> >>>Amen brother.   As an added feature, they can also lead to fires.   A 
> PCNC member was running his Pantera at the Virginia City Hillclimb 
> some
> years ago; being a 'racer' he went for the obligatory dual remote oil
filter 
> setup, mounted on the camber bar.   The thing failed, spraying hot oil on
the 
> exhaust, and he crossed the finish line with a big ball of fire coming out

> of the engine bay! Fortunately there was a fire truck right there, and the

> damage to the car was limited.
> 
But it was all so unnecessary....
> 
> >On my oil cooler I'm opting for an Earl's sandwich plate, that sits
> between the block and filter moving the filter out maybe an inch, but 
> nominally
> in the stock location. The oil cooler lines run straight out the sandwich 
> plate and the nice part is that the sandwich plate includes a built in oil

> thermostat, so plumbing is kept to a minimum, one line out to the oil
cooler 
> and one back.
> 
>>>Excellent idea.   I have that exact setup on my GT350 and Cobra, both 
with air-to-oil coolers, and it works great.   The thermostat keeps the
cooler 
from over-cooling the oil.
> 
> >I'm looking at feeding the two oil lines straight into the cab and 
> >out of
> the bottom of the car under the center console
> 
>>>Probably not such a good idea, as it will cause an enormous increase 
>>>in
cockpit temperatures.   It's possible to route hard lines under the car, 
parallel to the water pipes, and that's what I plan to do.


> to the laminova oil cooler I will mount in place of a portion of the
> under car water tube. I've looked at it closely and think it's doable,
with the 
> addition of a custom skid plate under the oil cooler.
> 
> >>>A couple of things:

First, my earlier comments were geared towards more traditional air/oil 
coolers, where the sole function of the unit is to reduce oil temperatures.

You don't want to do that when the oil is still cold, hence the need for a 
thermostatic adapter.

Realize that the Laminova unit is not an oil cooler.   It is a water-to-oil 
heat EXCHANGER, meaning that its initial job (and maybe even its most 
important job) is to heat up the oil (since the water increases in
temperature 
faster than the oil), and only after the engine is working hard, does its
role 
reverse and it then sheds engine oil heat into the cooling system.   By 
using a thermostatic adapter, you would be negating what is arguably the 
greater fuction of the Laminova unit.   A non-thermostatic adapter should
always 
be used with these things (and as a bonus, it's substantially less 
expensive).

Chris Difani and I have looked hard at the underside of the Pantera, and it 
just doesn't look very practical to mount the Laminova in the place of part 
of the under-car water pipes; there just isn't enough room, and the oil 
lines would be dangerously vulnerable from below.   However, there is a ton
of 
room behind the radiator (even with a stock stand-up design), and it will be

a fairly simple matter to replace a portion of one of the pipes that leads 
from the radiator to the under-car pipes, with a Laminova unit.   A pair of 
hard lines (rather similar to the brake vacuum hard line) will be routed 
alongside the water pipes, with short flex hoses connecting the lines to the

cooler up front, and the engine adapter out back.   Earl's fittings will be 
used throughout.

We're working on designing a complete package for the Pantera; we've got s
ix or eight coolers, which I've dismantled and thoroughly cleaned out; Chris

is machining them to accept -10 fittings, replacing any tired seals, and 
then pressure-testing them to ensure their intregity.   After the Reno
event, 
my car will serve as the guinea pig, and once the concept has been proven, a

complete kit will be offered up for those who want to follow suit.

Johnny Woods and Geoff Peters in the UK have already spoken for two of 
them; Stephane Bergeron in Paris has also taken two, and Charlie McCall is 
getting one but only with the proviso that I have to fly to Spain and help
him 
install it. :>)

Mike


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