[DeTomaso] Remote oil filter setup

Mon May 4 17:55:54 EDT 2009

I might add here that an on-board, engine bay mounted fire suppression  
system carries the Mad Dog seal of approval (ask him why).  Soon it  
will carry the TPR Seal of Approval.

Asa Jay

Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:

>
> Mike Valee's car caught on fire midway to the Fun Rally last year   
> for the same reason, I think.  The hot oil spraying on the headers   
> caught fire and damaged the paint on his rear deck.  Fortunately   
> there was no other serious damage.
>
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> Nothing like looking in your rear view mirror and seeing flames.
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> Sincerely,
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> Chris (who saw flames when my oil-soaked air filter went up in smoke  
>  as a result of a backfire...)
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>> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>> Date: Mon, 4 May 2009 17:14:26 -0400
>> To: julian_kift at hotmail.com; charlesmccall at gmail.com;   
>> boyd411 at gmail.com; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Remote oil filter setup
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 5/4/09 13 42 5, julian_kift at hotmail.com writes:
>>
>>
>> > Boyd came back offline and is apparently also installing an oil cooler,
>> > but as a standalone I don't see a remote filter offering many advantages,
>> > unless you are running a high performance motor that calls for a dual
>> > filtration set up. The oil lines add complexity, increase oil   
>> pump load and add
>> > the risk of leaks or failure.
>> >
>> > >>>Amen brother. As an added feature, they can also lead to fires. A
>> > PCNC member was running his Pantera at the Virginia City Hillclimb some
>> > years ago; being a 'racer' he went for the obligatory dual remote  
>>  oil filter
>> > setup, mounted on the camber bar. The thing failed, spraying hot   
>> oil on the
>> > exhaust, and he crossed the finish line with a big ball of fire coming out
>> > of the engine bay! Fortunately there was a fire truck right there, and the
>> > damage to the car was limited.
>> >
>> But it was all so unnecessary....
>> >
>> > >On my oil cooler I'm opting for an Earl's sandwich plate, that sits
>> > between the block and filter moving the filter out maybe an inch,  
>>  but nominally
>> > in the stock location. The oil cooler lines run straight out the sandwich
>> > plate and the nice part is that the sandwich plate includes a built in oil
>> > thermostat, so plumbing is kept to a minimum, one line out to the  
>>  oil cooler
>> > and one back.
>> >
>> >>>Excellent idea. I have that exact setup on my GT350 and Cobra, both
>> with air-to-oil coolers, and it works great. The thermostat keeps the cooler
>> from over-cooling the oil.
>> >
>> > >I'm looking at feeding the two oil lines straight into the cab and out of
>> > the bottom of the car under the center console
>> >
>> >>>Probably not such a good idea, as it will cause an enormous increase in
>> cockpit temperatures. It's possible to route hard lines under the car,
>> parallel to the water pipes, and that's what I plan to do.
>>
>>
>> > to the laminova oil cooler I will mount in place of a portion of the
>> > under car water tube. I've looked at it closely and think it's   
>> doable, with the
>> > addition of a custom skid plate under the oil cooler.
>> >
>> > >>>A couple of things:
>>
>> First, my earlier comments were geared towards more traditional air/oil
>> coolers, where the sole function of the unit is to reduce oil temperatures.
>> You don't want to do that when the oil is still cold, hence the need for a
>> thermostatic adapter.
>>
>> Realize that the Laminova unit is not an oil cooler. It is a water-to-oil
>> heat EXCHANGER, meaning that its initial job (and maybe even its most
>> important job) is to heat up the oil (since the water increases in   
>> temperature
>> faster than the oil), and only after the engine is working hard,   
>> does its role
>> reverse and it then sheds engine oil heat into the cooling system. By
>> using a thermostatic adapter, you would be negating what is arguably the
>> greater fuction of the Laminova unit. A non-thermostatic adapter   
>> should always
>> be used with these things (and as a bonus, it's substantially less
>> expensive).
>>
>> Chris Difani and I have looked hard at the underside of the Pantera, and it
>> just doesn't look very practical to mount the Laminova in the place of part
>> of the under-car water pipes; there just isn't enough room, and the oil
>> lines would be dangerously vulnerable from below. However, there is a ton of
>> room behind the radiator (even with a stock stand-up design), and it will be
>> a fairly simple matter to replace a portion of one of the pipes that leads
>> from the radiator to the under-car pipes, with a Laminova unit. A pair of
>> hard lines (rather similar to the brake vacuum hard line) will be routed
>> alongside the water pipes, with short flex hoses connecting the lines to the
>> cooler up front, and the engine adapter out back. Earl's fittings will be
>> used throughout.
>>
>> We're working on designing a complete package for the Pantera; we've got s
>> ix or eight coolers, which I've dismantled and thoroughly cleaned out; Chris
>> is machining them to accept -10 fittings, replacing any tired seals, and
>> then pressure-testing them to ensure their intregity. After the Reno event,
>> my car will serve as the guinea pig, and once the concept has been proven, a
>> complete kit will be offered up for those who want to follow suit.
>>
>> Johnny Woods and Geoff Peters in the UK have already spoken for two of
>> them; Stephane Bergeron in Paris has also taken two, and Charlie McCall is
>> getting one but only with the proviso that I have to fly to Spain   
>> and help him
>> install it. :>)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
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