[DeTomaso] Lots of cars for sale - '86 GT5-S

Kirk Evans kre at adelphia.net
Sun Mar 22 13:06:40 EDT 2009


I know Dick Merritt by many phone calls----great guy---and he is one man who 
will know at a glance if the car was homologated.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kevin Murphy" <kevin at jmadv.com>
To: <deTomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2009 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lots of cars for sale - '86 GT5-S


> If anyone is actually serious about this car they should contact
> Richard Merritt at the DOT 202-366-5300 BEFORE purchasing.
> He will be able to look at the records and tell you if the EPA/DOT 
> paperwork
> is filed and correct for this car. Even send you copies if needed.
>
> Dick, a real car guy by the way, was helpful when I recently got a
> California BAR sticker for my gray market '83 512BBi Boxer.
> If you want to see your state tax dollars at their most efficient try 
> going
> through that process!
>
> Murph
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: Kirk Evans <kre at adelphia.net>
>> Date:  Sat, 21 Mar 2009 20:25:15 -0400
>> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <mbefthomas at comcast.net>, <rimov at charter.net>,
>> <deTomaso at realbig.com>
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lots of cars for sale - '86 GT5-S
>>
>> Mike,
>>
>> I saw pictures of this car several years ago and it was un-touched---no 
>> US
>> bumpers, marker lights were not installed, un-touched e-vap system and no
>> catalytic converts just from the pictures.  If the car has both EPA and 
>> DOT
>> releases that's good---I just find it hard to believe that the work was
>> completed and would be interested in knowing the who-what-when-where on 
>> the
>> conversion work.
>>
>> Older direct imports were privately imported and all had to go through 
>> DOT.
>> You could bring in a one time exempt from EPA as an individual through 
>> the
>> 80s. I believe that one time exempt reg has been changed..
>>
>> In the old days, there were several shops---one in particular in
>> California---that could EPA pass a 747 fully loaded at take off and 
>> guarantee
>> the crash integrity of a south boarder built piñata Ferrari.
>>
>> If there is proper paper work, it should be good to go BUT make sure the 
>> trail
>> is real and not serial numbers changed on copies of copies of copies. 
>> Don't
>> mean to sound cynical but it's my many years of Pantera conversion work 
>> along
>> with the times we live in today make me wonder of such scrupulous things 
>> my
>> friend.
>>
>> Kirk
>>   ----- Original Message -----
>>   From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
>>   To: kre at adelphia.net ; mbefthomas at comcast.net ; rimov at charter.net ;
>> deTomaso at realbig.com
>>   Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2009 3:56 PM
>>   Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Lots of cars for sale - '86 GT5-S
>>
>>
>>
>>   In a message dated 3/21/09 10 47 18, kre at adelphia.net writes:
>>
>>
>>
>>     Unless someone has converted (DOT-EPA) that yellow car in the last 
>> year,
>> it has never been done, OR it was converted and all of the original parts 
>> were
>> re-installed back to Euro specks-----hard to believe----I would like to 
>> be a
>> ninja some day but most likely that will never happen.
>>
>>
>>>>> HAHAHA!!!  This car was privately imported and DOT/EPA certified.  In 
>>>>> fact
>>>>> he has photos of the paperwork showing at the bottom of his auction.
>>
>>
>>> I would venture to say it was driven over the border from Canada and 
>>> found a
>>> home in a state where the custom release paperwork is not an issue. I 
>>> think
>>> it would be impossible to register in California---do not know about the
>>> other 49---most states once you have a title do not require the paper 
>>> trail.
>>
>>
>>>>> It would be an uphill battle in California, for sure, but the other 49
>>>>> states are probably no problem, especially since it's already 
>>>>> successfully
>>>>> negotiated the DOT and EPA hoops and has been registered in Virginia 
>>>>> (and
>>>>> now Florida) for years.
>>
>>
>>> Most of the direct import car "smart guys" from US customs have moved on
>>> since the import regulations changed BUT if an agent that knows what is
>>> required for a conversion sees this car---like at a show---he could pull 
>>> it
>>> on site and the owner would play hell getting it back. Just an FYI for 
>>> those
>>> who may be looking.
>>
>>
>>>>> Again--it's already been done.
>>
>>
>>     At this point with our sprint  towards socialism (more like warp 
>> drive)
>> and deficits/debts so large our children's, children's, children's, 
>> children's
>> children will not be able to pay them back, I doubt if a Pantera's import
>> paper work is an issue for anyone in the government.
>>
>>
>>>>> HAHAHA!
>>
>>   This is a fairly well-known car.  It looks nice but is reportedly very 
>> rough
>> underneath when you look at it closely.  It was for sale in Virginia for
>> years, and Andy DiFatta (who owned #4220 until he sold it to Jim Wallace, 
>> PONE
>> president) tried for a year and a half to buy it.  It was at a 
>> dealership,
>> he'd make an appointment to go see it, drive from Connecticut to 
>> Virginia,
>> only to find the dealership closed for the day!  He finally made 
>> arrangements
>> to buy it, and then the seller (an old man) changed his mind....
>>
>>   Anyway, it eventually found its way to California, where it is 
>> currently
>> owned by a guy named Bruce Adair in Richmond (East Bay, San Francisco 
>> area).
>> I first saw the car, and met him, in Monterey a few years ago.  He had 
>> his
>> 9-months-pregnant wife in the car at the time!
>>
>>   He has been trying to sell it on Craigslist for more than a year; the 
>> fact
>> that it probably can't be registered in California is probably working 
>> against
>> him.
>>
>>   The auction says that it's a divorce sale. :<(
>>
>>   I would budget a fair bit for bodywork/upholstery on this car.  It may 
>> not
>> be rusty (I don't know about that at all), but I think the front valance 
>> is a
>> bit hammered, the leather seats have completely died, and the condition 
>> of the
>> car (last time I saw it) was basically 'driver rough', etc.  It looks 
>> better
>> in the photos; maybe the paint just needed a good detailing.
>>
>>   In any case, it will sell for something between the current bid of $53K 
>> and
>> the buy-it-now price of $59K, which would make it a reasonable deal in my
>> opinion.
>>
>>   Mike
>>
>>
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