[DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine Psychology Today

[Kirby Schrader]

I have no idea at all. Years ago, Dennis Quella said Fred stopped by  
his shop, but that's the last I heard...

I would never want to repeat my 'Fred experience', either.

On 16 Jun 2009, at 10:24 PM, Jim Gray wrote:

> Kirby,
>
> What ever happened to our beloved Mr. Fosset?  During the 1980's he  
> hauled
> my first Pantera to his lair in rural Kansas then sent me a big bill  
> for
> work I never was able to determine he actually did.
>
> Oh, the Fred experience.
> Jim Gray
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:55 PM
> To: Charles Engles
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine  
> Psychology
> Today
>
>
> The car was never actually mine, Chuck.... A guy named Stokey owned it
> at the time and I was doing some work on it.
> It is now owned by Dorsey Comeau in Colorado and I hear he's done more
> work to it.
>
> It's a really nice car.... even so. I thought seriously about buying
> it at the time.... but was kinda' short in the 'green' area putting
> two kids through university.
>
> It's a long, horrid story, but in theory, it was supposed to have been
> my car back when I ordered a GT5S from a certain individual named Fred
> Fosset in 1984. Kirk Evans told me more of the background to that saga
> later on. I was told 9390 was supposed to be 'my car', but it never
> showed up until long after I gave up. And then Kirk said 9391 was
> supposed to be mine.
>
> It was not to be. 1661 has been mine since 1984. And I found out today
> it is silver and black again! I might actually drive it later this
> summer. Last time was March 2002 at TWS....
>
> FWIW,
> Kirby
>
>
>
> On 16 Jun 2009, at 9:47 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
>
>> Dear Kirby,
>>
>>
>>             Interesting engine odessey.   It is odd that yours and
>> others seem to gravitate back to the Cleveland karma.
>>
>>
>>                               Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Schrader"
> <kirby.schrader at gmail.com
>>>
>> To: "List List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:41 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine
>> Psychology Today
>>
>>
>>> Chuck,
>>>
>>> GT5S 9390 went from a Cleveland to an Cleveland stroker to a 545
>>> Chevy
>>> and back to a 351 Cleveland stroker.
>>> The latter, I rebuilt when the car was in my garage back in uhh....
>>> gee... uhh... must have been around 2000? My memory is getting
>>> poor....
>>>
>>> The story was that the previous owner wanted to go 200mph. Or so  
>>> I've
>>> been told by 'those who know'. Why he took the 454 back out and put
>>> the original engine (which was a botched build job in any case... it
>>> was ready to self destruct when I took it apart) back in is unknown
>>> to
>>> me.
>>>
>>> Also, the hatchet job that went into 'modifying' the engine
>>> compartment for the 454 was atrocious, in my humble opinion. I did a
>>> LOT of rewiring and repairs at the time.
>>>
>>> FWIW,
>>> Kirby
>>>
>>>
>>> On 16 Jun 2009, at 7:09 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Jack,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>          You wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> " Just an added note- if someone does do this swap, remember that
>>>> virtually
>>>>> ALL such swaps eventually get reversed and a nice 351C is settled
>>>>> back where
>>>>> it belongs. That includes at least 10 of the dozen 454 Chevs that
>>>>> MIke Cook
>>>>> did in the '80s, the ZL-1 that used to be in Weldon Brown's  
>>>>> Pantera
>>>>> and a
>>>>> host of others including Windsors going back to Clevelands."
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>            Why is that?     Given that the Pantera is already a
>>>> hodge podge of parts and a chimera of a car;  given that the Chevy
>>>> engines have the distributor in a good location for a midengine car
>>>> plus other intrinsic attributes (ignoring the  miscegenation of a
>>>> Chevy in a Ford car) ; and given that most of these Chevy
>>>> transplants are done as well as a Cleveland installation----then  
>>>> why
>>>> the mysterious trend to remove them and revert back to
>>>> Clevelands?     I can understand the benefits of a Chevy powered
>>>> Pantera.   I can't really understand the gravitation *back* to the
>>>> original 351C configuration after all the cost and effort to make
>>>> the Chevy change.   Do you have an understanding and some sort of
>>>> psycho-social-engine-ethnic (babble) explanation for this
>>>> weirdness??
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                   Life is strange,  Chuck Engles
>>>>
>>>>       It gets stranger when you start swapping
>>>> engines...........................!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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