[DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine Psychology Today

[Jim Gray]

Kirby,

What ever happened to our beloved Mr. Fosset?  During the 1980's he hauled
my first Pantera to his lair in rural Kansas then sent me a big bill for
work I never was able to determine he actually did.

Oh, the Fred experience.
Jim Gray

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From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Kirby Schrader
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:55 PM
To: Charles Engles
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine Psychology
Today


The car was never actually mine, Chuck.... A guy named Stokey owned it  
at the time and I was doing some work on it.
It is now owned by Dorsey Comeau in Colorado and I hear he's done more  
work to it.

It's a really nice car.... even so. I thought seriously about buying  
it at the time.... but was kinda' short in the 'green' area putting  
two kids through university.

It's a long, horrid story, but in theory, it was supposed to have been  
my car back when I ordered a GT5S from a certain individual named Fred  
Fosset in 1984. Kirk Evans told me more of the background to that saga  
later on. I was told 9390 was supposed to be 'my car', but it never  
showed up until long after I gave up. And then Kirk said 9391 was  
supposed to be mine.

It was not to be. 1661 has been mine since 1984. And I found out today  
it is silver and black again! I might actually drive it later this  
summer. Last time was March 2002 at TWS....

FWIW,
Kirby



On 16 Jun 2009, at 9:47 PM, Charles Engles wrote:

> Dear Kirby,
>
>
>              Interesting engine odessey.   It is odd that yours and  
> others seem to gravitate back to the Cleveland karma.
>
>
>                                Warmest regards,  Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kirby Schrader"
<kirby.schrader at gmail.com 
> >
> To: "List List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2009 9:41 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Chevy in & out of Panteras or Engine  
> Psychology Today
>
>
>> Chuck,
>>
>> GT5S 9390 went from a Cleveland to an Cleveland stroker to a 545  
>> Chevy
>> and back to a 351 Cleveland stroker.
>> The latter, I rebuilt when the car was in my garage back in uhh....
>> gee... uhh... must have been around 2000? My memory is getting  
>> poor....
>>
>> The story was that the previous owner wanted to go 200mph. Or so I've
>> been told by 'those who know'. Why he took the 454 back out and put
>> the original engine (which was a botched build job in any case... it
>> was ready to self destruct when I took it apart) back in is unknown  
>> to
>> me.
>>
>> Also, the hatchet job that went into 'modifying' the engine
>> compartment for the 454 was atrocious, in my humble opinion. I did a
>> LOT of rewiring and repairs at the time.
>>
>> FWIW,
>> Kirby
>>
>>
>> On 16 Jun 2009, at 7:09 PM, Charles Engles wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Jack,
>>>
>>>
>>>           You wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> " Just an added note- if someone does do this swap, remember that
>>> virtually
>>>> ALL such swaps eventually get reversed and a nice 351C is settled
>>>> back where
>>>> it belongs. That includes at least 10 of the dozen 454 Chevs that
>>>> MIke Cook
>>>> did in the '80s, the ZL-1 that used to be in Weldon Brown's Pantera
>>>> and a
>>>> host of others including Windsors going back to Clevelands."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>             Why is that?     Given that the Pantera is already a
>>> hodge podge of parts and a chimera of a car;  given that the Chevy
>>> engines have the distributor in a good location for a midengine car
>>> plus other intrinsic attributes (ignoring the  miscegenation of a
>>> Chevy in a Ford car) ; and given that most of these Chevy
>>> transplants are done as well as a Cleveland installation----then why
>>> the mysterious trend to remove them and revert back to
>>> Clevelands?     I can understand the benefits of a Chevy powered
>>> Pantera.   I can't really understand the gravitation *back* to the
>>> original 351C configuration after all the cost and effort to make
>>> the Chevy change.   Do you have an understanding and some sort of
>>> psycho-social-engine-ethnic (babble) explanation for this  
>>> weirdness??
>>>
>>>
>>>                    Life is strange,  Chuck Engles
>>>
>>>        It gets stranger when you start swapping
>>> engines...........................!!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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