[DeTomaso] 12 cylinder Pantera

[Torbjørn Harlem]

I haven't looked at that engine.
Very interesting thou

I also would like a V12 engine, and I gave it up when I start measuring the engine bay. 
Perhaps I better look at that engine from Bentley.

It can be done, but with a lot of work. And I would like to get the car on the street within reasonable time.

My car is totally dismantled, and I'll soon start the rust welding process. Some pics here :  http://picasaweb.google.com/harlempantera


And my 351 C is rebuilt so I stick with it.

Espen Graffer comes visit me in this weekend .With his nice blue 85 Deauville.
We have a nice De Tomaso talk over a cup of coffee. And a visit in my workshop so he could see my project.

His red early PB Pantera ( door handles switch) have its engine out, so he has some work to do as well.


Best reg.
Torbjorn






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Fra: Thomas Tornblom [mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se] 
Sendt: 16. juni 2009 10:31
Til: Torbjørn Harlem
Kopi: boyd casey; detomaso at realbig.com
Emne: Re: [DeTomaso] 12 cylinder Pantera

Torbjørn Harlem skrev:
> Hi. 
> 
> 
> I'll think you have to move the rear wheel backwards, because a 12 cylinder engine is much longer than a V8.
> 
> The angel of the drive shaft most be so straight ( 90 degree at the transaxle)as possible because otherwise the axl`s will be rapidly worn out.
> 
> An other option is to use some other transaxle that is "shorter" like some of the Audi cars have.
> 
> The third option must be the Lambo way. 
> Engine mounted across the engine bay.
> Very few gearboxes to choose from. (That can stand against torque and amount of HP from the engine.)  And a big rebuilt session to.

A fourth option is to look into the VW/Audi/Bentley W12 engines. This 
engine is actually shorter than a Cleveland, 57cm IIRC. Looking at the 
oilpan it appears very wide though, so I'm not sure it could be dropped 
in between the rails. It is a dry-sump motor, so perhaps this can be fixed.

I have been very interested in a W12 swap, but it will not be a trivial 
operation.

Cheers,
Thomas

> 
> 
> If you want a modern V8 you have to look at BMW, Audi, Merc, Porsche, and the newest Ford have to offer ( Chevy ( Good forbid) is no option in my eyes)
> 
> An if you search it's possible to find even more engines with specs that will " play at 500 +++ hp"
> 
>   Just some thoughts 
> 
> Torbjorn # 2215 
> 
> (Sorry for my spelling)   
> 
>  
> 
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> 
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> Fra: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] På vegne av boyd casey
> Sendt: 16. juni 2009 09:01
> Til: detomaso at realbig.com
> Emne: [DeTomaso] 12 cylinder Pantera
> 
> Knowing that some day I will have to rebuild or replace my 351 Cleveland I
> am always thinking about interesting alternatives to push rod  based
> engines. . I am not aware of  many  high horsepower engines with  DOHC and 4
> valves per cylinder alternatives available to the Pantera. ( aside from the
> Ford modular engines)  I don't think that I would ever actually attempt
> starting  with a Mercedes Benz  (they are incredibly expensive to
> obtain,  maintain
> and is also  extremely complex .. I don't know if it could be squeezed in
> but does anyone know of anyone ever attempting to install one of the 6 liter
> 12 cylinder Mercedes engines from the 600 sl ( that turn out around 620 hp )
> into a Pantera?
> 
> Boyd
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