[DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
Mad Dog Antenucci
teampantera at yahoo.com
Sat Jun 13 04:00:00 EDT 2009
Good point. . .I'm not convinced Virgin Oil Oil is any different then Extra Virgin Oil Oil.
Mad Dawg Antenucci
Team Pantera Racing
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
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From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
To: Charles McCall <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
Cc: Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>; Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 11:54:34 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
Charles McCall skrev:
> Thanks Dave, you’ve saved me the trouble of finding something that
> really did interest me but I never think to look up when I’m sitting at
> the computer.
I'm not convinced US Mobil 1 is the same as European Mobil 1.
>
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> Charles McCall
>
> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>
> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
>
> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
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> *De:* Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com]
> *Enviado el:* viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 17:45
> *Para:* Thomas Tornblom
> *CC:* Charles McCall; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'; detomaso at realbig.com
> *Asunto:* Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
>
>
>
> http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf
>
> This chart has the phosphorous and zinc levels of everything.
> Mobil1 15- 50 [*** and only 15-50***] has 1200 and 1300 and is the
> clear choice. (it's racing oil)
> Mobil1 5W-40 diesel is second at 1100 and 1200 is a
> second choice
>
> The rest of the line is inappropriate for engines that have sliding
> contact surfaces.
> dave
>
> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>
> Charles McCall skrev:
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>> Dunno, I'll look when I Get home, but my goal is to gain zddp content. Says
>> something like "turbo diesel engine oil" or something.
>>
>
>
> Here's the spec (I think), no ZDDP content rating though:
>
> http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/EUXXENPVLMOMobil1_Turbo_Diesel_0W-40.asp
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>
>
> This might be interesting:
>
> http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_SHC_5W-40.asp
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> truck synthetic.
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>> General comments on this list and various forums are that diesel engine oil
>> has higher zddp content.
>>
>> Charles McCall
>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe" <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>
>> _http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323 <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _ <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _-----Mensaje original----- <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _nombre de Tomas Gunnarsson <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _Enviado el: viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 9:42 <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _Para: detomaso at realbig.com <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway? <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _ <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _Exactly what does it say on the label? Most oils I see are for use with <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _gasoline or diesel engines, with or without turbo. What would a diesel <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _engine only oil sacrifice compared to a gasoline only or a diesel/gas oil? <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _ <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _Tomas <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _----- Original Message ----- <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_
>> _From: " <http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323-----Mensajeoriginal-----De:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5bmailto:detomaso-bounces@realbig.com%5dEnnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso@realbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesitsayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutturbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>_Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com> <mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com>
>> To: "'Thomas Tornblom'" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se> <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>; "'Dan Courtney'"
>> <dfcex at excaliburre.com> <mailto:dfcex at excaliburre.com>
>> Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:14 AM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
>>
>>
>>
>>> Were you using Mobil 1 for gas, or for diesel?
>>>
>>> I just bought 8 liters of Mobil 1 for diesel engines, based on discussions
>>> here, but without any real data of zddp content of that mix...
>>>
>>> Charles McCall
>>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
>>> nombre de Thomas Tornblom
>>> Enviado el: viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 7:52
>>> Para: Dan Courtney
>>> CC: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
>>>
>>> I installed a hydraulic roller after wiping #5 intake in Italy 2004.
>>>
>>> The Crane flat tappet hydraulic cam I had was installed in 2001 and had
>>> survived a trip to France, but with just the outer valve springs
>>> installed. When I pulled the heads to install hard exhaust seats I
>>> installed the inner springs as well, and that might have been too much
>>> for the modern formula Mobil 1 I use.
>>>
>>> I doubt I will ever install a flat tappet cam again.
>>>
>>> Thomas
>>>
>>> Dan Courtney skrev:
>>>
>>>> Dan,
>>>>
>>>> Turns it WAS a brand new Crower cam and lifters.
>>>> I've been having so many engines re-built I'm losing track.
>>>>
>>>> Dan
>>>>
>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>
>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>
>>>> (858) 551-5455 Phone
>>>> (858) 551-5456 Fax
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Daniel Miller
>>>> To: Dan Courtney
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:05 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dan, Just FYI. No matter what anyone ever tells you, don't re-use a
>>>>
>>> cam. Always pony up for a new cam. My 2 cents. Dan Miller.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
>>> --
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>>>> From: Dan Courtney <dfcex at pacbell.net> <mailto:dfcex at pacbell.net>
>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:39:03 AM
>>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
>>>>
>>>> So I wrenched on The Winged Warrior till 4AM Monday and 5AM Tuesday,
>>>>
>>> reviewed and improved allot of stuff, but it was still missing on at least
>>> one cylinder.
>>>
>>>> So I towed it to the engine shop disassembled, so they could inspect
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>> gaskets for signs of leaking, get a better borescope view, etc.
>>>
>>>> Everything checked out till we started it, then found out it was cold
>>>>
>> on
>>
>>> #2 (the cylinder with plugs that kept fouling).
>>>
>>>> Turns out the intake lobe on the cam went flat. It was re-used from
>>>>
>> the
>>
>>> previous engine, after being profiled and inspected (by a well known local
>>> cam manufacturer).
>>>
>>>> The builder says there's bound to be metal in the pan, so now, after
>>>>
>>> only 700 miles and one adventurous this new engine, and finally getting
>>>
>> the
>>
>>> installation PERFECT, it's gotta come out again, for the fifth time in six
>>> years.
>>>
>>>> There are times when you just feel the universe is in alignment to make
>>>>
>>> sure you can't get behind the wheel of a Pantera.
>>>
>>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>>
>>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>>
>>>> (858) 551-5455 Phone
>>>> (858) 551-5456 Fax
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