[DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?

Charles McCall charlesmccall at gmail.com
Fri Jun 12 14:40:49 EDT 2009


Thanks Dave, you’ve saved me the trouble of finding something that really
did interest me but I never think to look up when I’m sitting at the
computer. 

 

 

Charles McCall

1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375

"Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"

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De: Dave Londry [mailto:davel at emspace.com] 
Enviado el: viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 17:45
Para: Thomas Tornblom
CC: Charles McCall; 'Tomas Gunnarsson'; detomaso at realbig.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?

 

http://www.mobiloil.com/USA-English/MotorOil/Files/Mobil_1_Product_Guide.pdf

This chart has the phosphorous and zinc levels of everything.
Mobil1 15- 50 [*** and only 15-50***]  has 1200 and 1300 and is the clear
choice. (it's racing oil)
Mobil1 5W-40 diesel is second at                   1100 and 1200 is a second
choice

The rest of the line is inappropriate for engines that have sliding contact
surfaces.
dave

Thomas Tornblom wrote: 

Charles McCall skrev:
  

Dunno, I'll look when I Get home, but my goal is to gain zddp content. Says
something like "turbo diesel engine oil" or something.
    

 
Here's the spec (I think), no ZDDP content rating though:
http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/EUXXENPVLMOMobil1_Turbo_Diesel_0W-
40.asp
 
This might be interesting:
http://www.mobil.com/UK-English/Lubes/PDS/GLXXENCVLMOMobil_Delvac_1_SHC_5W-4
0.asp
 
truck synthetic.
 
  

General comments on this list and various forums are that diesel engine oil
has higher zddp content. 
 
Charles McCall
1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
"Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
 
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>  
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
nombre de Tomas Gunnarsson
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
Enviado el: viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 9:42
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
Para: detomaso at realbig.com
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
 
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nnombredeTomasGunnarssonEnviadoel:viernes,12dejuniode20099:42Para:detomaso at r
ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>  
Exactly what does it say on the label? Most oils I see are for use with
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
gasoline or diesel engines, with or without turbo. What would a diesel
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
engine only oil sacrifice compared to a gasoline only or a diesel/gas oil?
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ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
 
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:>  
Tomas
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> 
From:
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ealbig.comAsunto:Re:%5bDeTomaso%5dBustedBig,butRenoanyway?Exactlywhatdoesits
ayonthelabel?MostoilsIseeareforusewithgasolineordieselengines,withorwithoutt
urbo.Whatwouldadieselengineonlyoilsacrificecomparedtoagasolineonlyoradiesel/
gasoil?Tomas-----OriginalMessage-----From:> "Charles McCall"
<mailto:charlesmccall at gmail.com> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
To: "'Thomas Tornblom'"  <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
<Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>; "'Dan Courtney'"
 <mailto:dfcex at excaliburre.com> <dfcex at excaliburre.com>
Cc:  <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com> <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Friday, June 12, 2009 9:14 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
 
 
    

Were you using Mobil 1 for gas, or for diesel?
 
I just bought 8 liters of Mobil 1 for diesel engines, based on discussions
here, but without any real data of zddp content of that mix...
 
Charles McCall
1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
"Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
-----Mensaje original-----
De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] En
nombre de Thomas Tornblom
Enviado el: viernes, 12 de junio de 2009 7:52
Para: Dan Courtney
CC: detomaso at realbig.com
Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
 
I installed a hydraulic roller after wiping #5 intake in Italy 2004.
 
The Crane flat tappet hydraulic cam I had was installed in 2001 and had 
survived a trip to France, but with just the outer valve springs 
installed. When I pulled the heads to install hard exhaust seats I 
installed the inner springs as well, and that might have been too much 
for the modern formula Mobil 1 I use.
 
I doubt I will ever install a flat tappet cam again.
 
Thomas
 
Dan Courtney skrev:
      

Dan,
 
Turns it WAS a brand new Crower cam and lifters.
I've been having so many engines re-built I'm losing track.
 
Dan
 
Dan F. Courtney
 
La Jolla, CA
 
(858) 551-5455 Phone
(858) 551-5456 Fax
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Miller 
  To: Dan Courtney 
  Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:05 PM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
 
 
  Dan,  Just FYI.  No matter what anyone ever tells you, don't re-use a
        

cam.  Always pony up for a new cam.  My 2 cents.  Dan Miller.
      

 
 
 
        

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  From: Dan Courtney  <mailto:dfcex at pacbell.net> <dfcex at pacbell.net>
  To: detomaso at realbig.com
  Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 4:39:03 AM
  Subject: [DeTomaso] Busted Big, but Reno anyway?
 
  So I wrenched on The Winged Warrior till 4AM Monday and 5AM Tuesday,
        

reviewed and improved allot of stuff, but it was still missing on at least
one cylinder.
      

  So I towed it to the engine shop disassembled, so they could inspect
        

the
    

gaskets for signs of leaking, get a better borescope view, etc.
      

  Everything checked out till we started it, then found out it was cold
        

on
    

#2 (the cylinder with plugs that kept fouling). 
      

  Turns out the intake lobe on the cam went flat.  It was re-used from
        

the
    

previous engine, after being profiled and inspected (by a well known local
cam manufacturer).
      

  The builder says there's bound to be metal in the pan, so now, after
        

only 700 miles and one adventurous this new engine, and finally getting
      

the
    

installation PERFECT, it's gotta come out again, for the fifth time in six
years.
      

  There are times when you just feel the universe is in alignment to make
        

sure you can't get behind the wheel of a Pantera.
      

  Dan F. Courtney
 
  La Jolla, CA
 
  (858) 551-5455 Phone
  (858) 551-5456 Fax
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