[DeTomaso] FUTURE CARS, DICK RUZZIN / Naiveté on High,

Thu Jun 11 22:11:32 EDT 2009

My Honda Insight regularly goes 500-600 miles per tank of gas - about 10 gallons.  My record is 773 miles on about 10.2 gallons.  The battery is small - probably the size of 2-3 normal car batteries.  We just hit 100K miles - on the original battery.

The fake article mentions LNG, though, and not gasoline.

My father worked for a propane company for years.  We had a station wagon and a pickup truck on propane. The fuel economoy on propane was about 80% of the economy on gasoline.  The propane was 1/2 the cost of gasoline, though, so it was cheaper to use propane.

I'm assuming that propane and LNG are similar in energy content/fuel economy.  It doesn't really matter, the argument is the same.

My point is it's very realistic to build a LNG/hybrid that gets 600 miles per tank full.  It wouldn't have a trunk full of batteries.  It wouldn't have a fuel tank the size of the car.

Granted, our Insight has not guts - slightly slower than a normal compact, plus it is very small.  It doesn't have to be that way, though.  They could make it faster, more fun, etc., and still get 40+ MPG.  With a 15 gallon tank, you'd still get 600 miles per tank.

By the way, I want my Pantera back on the road.  I'm tired of driving a sewing machine.

-----Original Message-----
>From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
>Sent: Jun 11, 2009 3:45 PM
>To: thomas.tornblom at hax.se, guson at home.se
>Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FUTURE CARS, DICK RUZZIN / Naiveté on High,
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>I appreciate this!  I really get tired of folks passing garbage around as truth - I always do a Snopes before I foreward something too far out.   --Bill
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>> Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:12:29 +0200
>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>> To: guson at home.se
>> CC: Detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] FUTURE CARS, DICK RUZZIN / Naiveté on High,
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>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>> > http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/physics.asp 
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>> Yep, has all the ingredients of an urban legend.
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>> > :-/
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>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: "dickruzzindesign" <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
>> > To: <Detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2009 1:09 PM
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] FUTURE CARS, DICK RUZZIN / Naiveté on High,
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>> >> --
>> >> All the best, Dick Ruzzin.
>> >> ________________________________________________________________________
>> >> dickruzzinDESIGN at aol.com
>> >> 920 Whittier Rd. Grosse Pointe Park, MI 48230 / Phone: +313-824-0539 Cell: 313-300-9558
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>> >> Begin forwarded message:
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>> >> From: "William Porter" <w_porter at earthlink.net>
>> >> Subject: Naiveté on High
>> >> Date: June 11, 2009 1:01:02 AM EDT
>> >> To: "Delphia, Ben" <Ben at Delphia.us>, "Flowers, Allan Flowers" <allanflowers at yahoo.com>, "edson armi" <cearmi at yahoo.com>, "James, Norman J James J" <Normjjames at aol.com>, "Kady, Wayne & Marie" <pmkady at aol.com>,"Brian Kritzman" <kritman at wayne.edu>, Lammmorada at aol.com, "George Lanthorne" <gglanth at comcast.net>, "Edward Mertz" <edmertz at earthlink.net>, "Tatseos, Paul & Virginia" <paul at tatseos.com>, "Ruzzin, Dick & Merrie Lynn" <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>, "Selders, Orval & Alice" <corvsel at aol.com>, "Schell, Richard (Dick)" <lamppro1 at yahoo.com>, "Schroeder, Ted & Marge" <TedSeven at TorchLake.com>, "Smith, Gary Smith Gary" <gs at performancedesign.net>, thurmand at aol.com, "Barry Wolk" <barry2952 at twmi.rr.com>
>> >> Here's a bit of insight into the qualifications of the Automotive Task Force busily reinventing the American automobile industry. Can't get much scarier than this. 
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>> >> Begin forwarded message:
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>> >> -------------- Forwarded Message: -------------- 
>> >> From: "Kevin Vogler" <voglerfamily at comcast.net> 
>> >> To: "'John Schinella'" <jrschinella at att.net> 
>> >> Subject: FW: Automotive Challenge 
>> >> Date: Tue, 09 Jun 2009 18:47:01 +0000 
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>> >> Dr. Cole received his B.S.M.E. and Mathematics, M.S.M.E. and Ph.D. from the University of Michigan.
>> >> Please take the time to read this. It will give you some 
>> >> insight into the morons that are going to "save" our economy.
>> >> Thought this was an interesting letter.
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>> >> I recently attended a breakfast meeting where the speaker/guest was David E. Cole, Chairman Center for Automotive Research (CAR). You have all likely heard Cole CAR quoted, or referred to in the auto industry news lately.
>> >> Mr. Cole, who is an engineer by training, told many stories of the difficulty of working with the folks that the Obama administration has sent to save the auto industry. There have been many meetings where a 30+ year experience automotive expert has to listen to a newcomer to the industry, someone with zero manufacturing experience, zero auto industry experience, zero business experience, zero finance experience, and zero engineering experience, tell them how to run their business.
>> >> His favorite story is as follows:
>> >> There was a team of Obama people speaking to Mr Cole (Engineer, automotive experience 40+ years, Chairman of CAR). They were explaining to Mr. Cole that the auto companies needed to make a car that was electric and liquid natural gas (LNG) with enough combined fuel to go 500 miles so we wouldn't "need" so many gas stations (A whole other topic). They were quoting BTU's of LNG and battery life that they had looked up on some website.
>> >> Mr. Cole explained that to do this you would need a trunk FULL of batteries and a LNG tank at big as a car to make that happen and that there were problems related to the laws of physics that prevented them from...
>> >> The Obama person interrupted and said (and I am quoting here) "These laws of physics? Who's rules are those, we need to change that. (Some of the others wrote down the law name so they could look it up) We have the congress and the administration. We can repeal that law, amend it, or use an executive order to get rid of that problem. That's why we are here, to fix these sort of issues".
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>> >> Back ;in the late '90s when I was teaching the Junior Transportation Class at CCS I invited David Cold to speak to my students. He was great, intelligent, full of insight and with a sense of humor. Both the students and I got a lot from his visit. Bill
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