[DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.
David in Durango
adin at frontier.net
Mon Jul 6 19:04:17 EDT 2009
WTF, welcome. and thanks for the insight.
Hope you enjoy your new Pantera!
David in Durango
grouchy and dirty
----- Original Message -----
From: "Denny Finn" <dennyfinn at molalla.net>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Monday, July 06, 2009 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep.
> Hi, I am Dennis Finn,
> A newby to Pantera Land. Pantera owner for 90 days! Also my first post.
>
> I own an Auto Restoration Shop in Molalla Oregon (near Portland)& can say
> that you should mark parts as you take them apart ( as others have stated)
>
> But include markings like: up or down(with an arrow) & LF & RT.
>
> Like on W/s wiper arms I mark them lf & rt & also each arm on what
> direction it points. These are the little things that seem obvious when
> taking apart but not so obvious a long time later when re-assembling. Also
> when removing emblems or side moldings, take measurements for reference on
> where they went (if glue on).
>
> As others have said lots of Digital pictures. Take them in stages as you
> take the car apart. This is the way you will see the car as it goes back
> together, is in stages. You can never take to many pictures.
>
> Take notes as you tear down the car of any items that are damaged,
> cracked,
> need replaced, stripped or broken bolts, leaks, etc. Kind of a parts list.
>
> Good luck on your Jeep project. I hope this helps.
>
> Dennis Finn
> #1769
> Finns Auto Restoration & Custom
> 104 W.Main St.
> Molalla Oregon 97038
> (503)829-8488
>
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> 1. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (Sean Korb)
> 2. Re: Starter Studs (forestg at att.net)
> 3. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
> 4. Re: Starter Studs (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 5. Happy Bithday (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> 6. Re: Starter Studs (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> 7. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (RCBSONS1 at aol.com)
> 8. Re: headlights work but buckets to not raise up (SOBill at aol.com)
> 9. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (MikeLDrew at aol.com)
> 10. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4 (David in Durango)
> 11. Re: DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains (Bill Lewis)
> 12. Re: Happy Bithday (Fastgrandma at aol.com)
> 13. Pantera Jeep (Bill Lewis)
> 14. Re: Happy Bithday (David in Durango)
> 15. Re: Pantera Jeep (cengles at cox.net)
> 16. Re: Pantera Jeep (cengles at cox.net)
> 17. Re: Pantera Jeep (Dave Londry)
> 18. Pantera Jeep (Larry Finch)
> 19. Re: Pantera Jeep (David in Durango)
> 20. Re: Pantera Jeep (gpd4)
> 21. Pandora--Unbelievable! (Christopher Kimball)
> 22. Re: Pantera Jeep (larry at ohiotimecorp.com)
> 23. Pantera Jeep (Scott Couchman)
> 24. US Independance day July 4 (Barry Seib)
> 25. Re: Pandora--Unbelievable! (bill gaino)
> 26. Pandora--Unbelievable! (Kerry Maguire)
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> 28. Re: Pantera Jeep (Jim Hendrickson)
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> 30. Re: Pantera Jeep (mikeldrew at aol.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 09:42:04 -0400
> From: Sean Korb <spkorb at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
> To: List Pantera <detomaso at realbig.com>
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> On Fri, Jul 3, 2009 at 7:35 PM, <LEVITT1946 at aol.com> wrote:
>> Hello Friends ,
>> Happy July 4th to all.
>>
>> I would like to do some nightime ?driving except my buckets do not ?raise
>> up. I can see that the headlights are on but buckets do not move at all.
>
> This a slightly less than helpful aside, but the first weeks I owned
> my Pantera I couldn't get the headlights to go up. The car wouldn't
> start either, so it was "on the list". I raised them to see if they
> would go up; there's a worm screw on the motor that I remember
> turning. I even played with the limiter switches to see if that
> helped.
>
> It turned out that they would only go up with the key in the "on"
> position. Shortly after I figured that out, I had the timing cover
> back on and started the car. It was most joyous.
>
> Happy 4th!
> sean
>
> --
> Sean Korb spkorb at spkorb.org http://www.spkorb.org
> '65,'68 Mustangs,'68 Cougar,'78 R100/7,'60 Metro,'59 A35,'71 Pantera #1382
> "The more you drive, the less intelligent you get" --Miller
> "Computers are useless. They can only give you answers." -P. Picasso
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:56:29 +0000
> From: forestg at att.net
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID:
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>
> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the middle.
> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
> Forest
> -------------- Original message from MikeLDrew at aol.com: --------------
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/3/09 22 52 54, asajay at asajay.com writes:
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Did you figure out the studs needed for the starter? I test fit mine
>> > today and the studs are just a wee bit short. I could probably get a
>> > nut on, but without a lock washer. With a lock washer, I'll be on just
>> > a thread or two.
>> >
>> > Did you figure out the best choices? (sorry if I've not paid a lot of
>> > attention, got beat up by a Mad Dog so I've been hiding my tail in the
>> > garage the last couple of days.) :)
>> >
>>
>> Larry Finch sent me the specs for his stock stud:
>>
>> ====
>>
>> M10 x 1.5
>>
>> The stock stud now in my hand is an overall length of 35mm.
>>
>> One end has about 9 mm of threads.
>>
>> Other end has about 17mm of threads
>>
>> Center section is about 9mm.
>>
>> New one needs to be longer.
>>
>> ====
>>
>> There you go. What Larry failed to tell me is WHICH end that is the end
>> that the starter fits over, versus the end that goes into the
>> bellhousing.
>
>> For the end that the starter goes over is the end that has to be longer.
>>
>> Can you confirm?
>>
>> Mike
>>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 EDT
> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Goran,
> I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
> in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
> Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera
>
> I am already one of the outside bastards
> with my Windsor stoker that has held together
> longer than any other motor I have ever owned
> No need for a Pontiac at this time
>
> Bob
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> Message: 4
>Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:24:24 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <bfa.437a8114.3780ce28 at aol.com>
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>
> In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:
>
>
>> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the
>> middle.
>>
>>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain
> anything. For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end,
> 17mm
>
> on the other end, and 9mm in the middle. If the new stud had 17mm on one
> end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread
> it
> further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides
> over)
>
> wouldn't extend any further.
>
> So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the
> increase matters.
>
>
>> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
>>
>>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too. So the length increase either has
> to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:25:53 -0400
> From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <57065.1246721153 at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"
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> Happy Birthday America. 233 today, but don't look a day over 200!
>
> God Bless you all.
>
>
> Larry - Cleveland
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:31:03 -0400
> From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Starter Studs
> To: forestg at att.net, detomaso at realbig.com, MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Message-ID: <44125.1246721463 at ohiotimecorp.com>
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> <<So the length increase either has to be in the middle, or the other end,
> or a combination
> of the two>>
>
> So your telling me that size does matter in ones stud?
>
> Larry (studless) - Cleveland
>
>
> On Sat Jul 4 11:24 , MikeLDrew at aol.com sent:
>
>>
>>In a message dated 7/4/09 7 56 57, forestg at att.net writes:
>>
>>
>>> It doesn't really matter because the extra length should be in the
>>> middle.
>>>
>>>>>But if it's not, potentially you could get a longer stud and not gain
>>anything. For instance, the stock stud has 9mm of threads on one end,
> 17mm
>>on the other end, and 9mm in the middle. If the new stud had 17mm on one
>>end, 17mm on the other end, and 9mm in the middle, you would just thread
>>it
>
>>further into the hole but the business end (the end the starter slides
> over)
>>wouldn't extend any further.
>>
>>So not only does the increased length matter, the *location* of the
>>increase matters.
>>
>>
>>> The short thread end should go into the bell housing.
>>>
>>>>>Thanks--that is what I expected too. So the length increase either
>>>>>has
>
>>to be in the middle, or the other end, or a combination of the two.
>>
>>Thanks!
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>
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> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:32:38 EDT
> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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> Mikey, Mikey,
> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
> would be satisified with the stocker
>
> My response was quick and NO
> He questioned me and I told him once you
> have experienced a car with major power it is
> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
> and never looked back
>
> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
> why would you not want that.... and forget about the
> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
>
> Bob Benson #3 Black Pantera
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:07:51 EDT
> From: SOBill at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] headlights work but buckets to not raise up
> To: LEVITT1946 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <cd1.53b7fa35.3780d857 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>
> FWIW,
>
> I have sent Robert the electrical diagrams and a detailed description of
> how the headlamp doors sequence via the limit switches.
>
> That should keep him out of trouble this weekend ;<).
>
> Have fun,
>
> SOBill Taylor
> sobill at aol.com
>
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:13 EDT
> From: MikeLDrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> To: RCBSONS1 at aol.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>
> In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:
>
>
>> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
>> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
>> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
>> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
>> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
>> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
>> would be satisified with the stocker
>>
>> My response was quick and NO
>>
>>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)
>
>> He questioned me and I told him once you
>> have experienced a car with major power it is
>> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
>> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
>> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
>> and never looked back
>>
>>>>I drove that car too. You're right, his power is addictive! But his
> hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the car.
>>
>> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
>> why would you not want that....
>>
>>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in
> the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all
> the
> other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....
>
>
>> and forget about the
>> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
>> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
>> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
>>
>> >>>Au contraire! The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact Fernando
> and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of
> Napa/Yolo/Solano
> counties just before Reno. Only problem is that it has a bad habit of
> popping out of third gear under trailing throttle. As the gearbox has
> just
>
> been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.
>
> Or, not. :<(
>
> But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the
> moment--as it should be! :>)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 10
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:36:35 -0600
> From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
> To: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>, <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: MikeLDrew at aol.com
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>
> Well, the ride I had in Mr. "FG" 's car back in '03 forever spoiled me.
> Those gurly clevelands just don't get it anymore! I'll never forget that
> ride. Thank you F "the streets are slick" G!
>
> (and when deRyke tells you that motor swap gives you a 3 speed unless you
> re-gear . . .ITS THE TRUTH).
>
> David in Durango
> the miata is pulling hard again!
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> To: <RCBSONS1 at aol.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Cc: <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 11:14 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 4
>
>
>>
>> In a message dated 7/4/09 8 33 23, RCBSONS1 at aol.com writes:
>>
>>
>>> Always go for more power... just ask Scotty
>>> I had a fellow Pantera owner who wrecked his
>>> supercharged Pantera and bought a stocker to
>>> take up the time while his more powerful Pantera
>>> was being fixed... the new one had some issues
>>> and was being worked on... he asked me if he
>>> would be satisified with the stocker
>>>
>>> My response was quick and NO
>>>
>>>>>Yeah, he's asked me the same question. :>)
>>
>>> He questioned me and I told him once you
>>> have experienced a car with major power it is
>>> really had to go back...I drove Roger Sharp's monster
>>> headed Pantera one day after he threw me the keys
>>> At that moment I started my plans for a new engine
>>> and never looked back
>>>
>>>>>I drove that car too. You're right, his power is addictive! But his
>> hobby-horse suspension and nonexistent brakes kept me from loving the
>> car.
>>>
>>> Mikey you just drove the Euro guys monster Pantera
>>> why would you not want that....
>>>
>>>>>Well, there is the little matter of the $25K or so he has invested in
>> the engine, plus the $5-6K in the various carbon fiber goodies, and all
>> the
>> other sacrifices he has made to get the car down to 2600 pounds....
>>
>>
>>> and forget about the
>>> mustang as it seems like these damn Panteras take
>>> all the time and effert... we never hear about your Cobra
>>> any more now that the Pantera is running... am I right???
>>>
>>> >>>Au contraire! The Cobra is up and running fine, and in fact
>>> >>>Fernando
>> and I took it for an all-day blast through the back roads of
>> Napa/Yolo/Solano
>> counties just before Reno. Only problem is that it has a bad habit of
>> popping out of third gear under trailing throttle. As the gearbox has
>> just
>> been rebuilt, it *might* just be a linkage issue.
>>
>> Or, not. :<(
>>
>> But you're right--the Pantera is the focus of my attention at the
>> moment--as it should be! :>)
>>
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> **************
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>> grill. (http://food.aol.com/grilling?ncid=emlcntusfood00000005)
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> Message: 11
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:36:45 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
> To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
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>
> Bob, I am fixing to put a Windsor stroker (from keith Craft) in my car -
> tell me more about yours: when?, price (optional answer)?, who did work?
>
> Thanks, Bill Lewis
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: RCBSONS1 at aol.com
>> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 10:57:14 -0400
>> To: hemipanter at hemipanter.se; detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] DeTomaso Digest, Vol 60, Issue 3-HP gains
>>
>> Goran,
>> I don't think I will be putting my Pontiac
>> in the Pantera... it is for my Trans am
>> Hoping to make it as fast as the Pantera
>>
>> I am already one of the outside bastards
>> with my Windsor stoker that has held together
>> longer than any other motor I have ever owned
>> No need for a Pontiac at this time
>>
>> Bob
>> **************A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. See yours in just 2
> easy
>> steps!
>>
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> Message: 12
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:51:15 EDT
> From: Fastgrandma at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com, detomaso at realbig.com
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> Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our country!
>
> Judy
>
>
> **************
> It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place
> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000
> From: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: <rcbsons1 at aol.com>, <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <COL113-W1601E9D70DAAAE50B75D9BB2D0 at phx.gbl>
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>
> OK, now that I have your attention!
>
> I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> wire-cutter
> pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>
> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman
> - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with
> the
> Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>
> 2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> ideas.
> Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> a
> spiral-type book.
>
> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>
> P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 11:59:05 -0600
> From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Happy Bithday
> To: <Fastgrandma at aol.com>, <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>,
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <1D445B8B18A14D91B416BA92591E5C39 at ZTxp>
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>
> Dang, between that and hangin' w/ a grandma - he'll NEVER get another
> date.
>
> We love him anyway . . .
>
>
>
>
>
>
>> Jack had a birthday yesterday and no, he's not near as old as our
>> country!
>>
>> Judy
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:21:29 -0400
> From: <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20090704142129.4VD8Z.155275.imail at eastrmwml49>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> Dear Bill,
>
> I have not done a restoration.
> I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
> digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
> disassmbly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels for
> parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and a
> good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some
> magazines
> available for hobbiest restorers and you might find them with a search on
> Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming
> with
> advice for the rookie restorer.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> ---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, now that I have your attention!
>>
>>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
> pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>>
>>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>>
>>Two questions:
>>
>>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears Craftsman
> - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
> Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>>
>>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> I'm
> sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
> Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> a
> spiral-type book.
>>
>>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>>
>>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 14:23:32 -0400
> From: <cengles at cox.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <20090704142332.Q1ZAA.155282.imail at eastrmwml49>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
>
> Dear Bill,
>
> I have not done a restoration.
> I would strongly recommend from what I have read that you purchase a good
> digital camera with a good flash and expect to take lots of photos before
> disassembly and during disassembly along with lots of notes and labels for
> parts. Other than that, I would think that you'd need a parts washer and a
> good budget for the necessary tools. I believe that there are some
> magazines
> available for hobbyist restorers and you might find them with a search on
> Amazon.com. I am sure others with actual experience will be forthcoming
> with
> advice for the rookie restorer.
>
> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
> ---- Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>OK, now that I have your attention!
>>
>>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several wire-cutter
> pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>>
>>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>>
>>Two questions:
>>
>>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears Craftsman
> - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the
> Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>>
>>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> I'm
> sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of ideas.
> Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> a
> spiral-type book.
>>
>>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>>
>>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 17
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 11:54:28 -0700
> From: Dave Londry <davel at emspace.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <4A4FA564.3020703 at emspace.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Bill
> Call the tool counter at your neighbourhood Sears and ask them when the
> mechanic's tool sets are going on sale next.
> They're normally $200ish and go on at half price.
> You could buy either an inch or metric set and also buy the opposite
> socket set
> 'cause you need both and they usually go on sale at the same time.
> ( maybe $50 from regular $100)
> dave
>
> Bill Lewis wrote:
>> OK, now that I have your attention!
>>
>> I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>>
>> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep
> up
> with the Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know
> of
> a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>>
>> 2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> ideas.
> Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> a
> spiral-type book.
>>
>> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>>
>> P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home
>> last
> night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 12:05:27 -0700
> From: Larry Finch <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Message-ID: <D72EBC98-79BC-47FF-B77E-08EEE2ADB20C at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed; delsp=yes
>
> Craftsman is fine. Ebay is good for these at lower cost. Sears also
> offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS
> and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too
> many hand tools. You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just
> one set of sockets....etc, etc. You need regular depth sockets, deep
> sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.
> Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.
>
> Multi drawer tool chest.
>
> "Clicker" torque wrench.
>
> WD-40 and liquid wrench.
>
> A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for
> extended length, and glass bead media.
>
> Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.
>
> Good floor jack and four good jack stands.
>
> Florescent trouble light.
>
> Good ceiling lighting in your garage.
>
> Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.
>
> Work bench with vise.
>
> Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.
>
> Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.
>
> New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed
> from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).
>
> Shop rags.
>
> Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.
>
> Bandages and Neosporin.
>
> Patience.
>
> High speed internet connection for research.
>
> eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.
>
> Money.
>
> Time.
>
> Understanding family.
>
> And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in
> time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"
>
> Good luck and have fun.
>
> Larry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:14:31 -0600
> From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <78BB470D3ED742699FD851D157D20F88 at ZTxp>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> Gee, you make it sound so easy . . . .
>
> I would add one necessary item:
> all the good friends on the P list.
>
> Time to crank up the 5.0 craftsman lawnmower . . . .
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry Finch" <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:05 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
>
>
>> Craftsman is fine. Ebay is good for these at lower cost. Sears also
>> offers large sets at a good price. Once you own them, they are YOURS
>> and you do not need a receipt for replacement. You can never have too
>> many hand tools. You can not work with just one set of wrenches, just
>> one set of sockets....etc, etc. You need regular depth sockets, deep
>> sockets, open end wrenches, combo wrenches, ratchet wrenches.
>> Luckily, for the Jeep project, you will not need to have metric tools.
>>
>> Multi drawer tool chest.
>>
>> "Clicker" torque wrench.
>>
>> WD-40 and liquid wrench.
>>
>> A glass bead blast cabinet, a compressor large enough to run it for
>> extended length, and glass bead media.
>>
>> Dewalt 18volt cordless tools.
>>
>> Good floor jack and four good jack stands.
>>
>> Florescent trouble light.
>>
>> Good ceiling lighting in your garage.
>>
>> Large sheets of cardboard for lying on while working under car.
>>
>> Work bench with vise.
>>
>> Latex gloves, Mechanics brand gloves.
>>
>> Gallon, pump dispenser jug of Orange pumice hand soap.
>>
>> New dark towels that don't show stains (to keep She-Who-Must-Be-Obeyed
>> from screaming how you have ruined all her good towels).
>>
>> Shop rags.
>>
>> Lacquer thinner and brushes for parts cleaning.
>>
>> Bandages and Neosporin.
>>
>> Patience.
>>
>> High speed internet connection for research.
>>
>> eBay I.D. for buying parts, tools, etc.
>>
>> Money.
>>
>> Time.
>>
>> Understanding family.
>>
>> And a zillion more things you won't have until you reach that point in
>> time when you say - "Damn, I need a ....!"
>>
>> Good luck and have fun.
>>
>> Larry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 20
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:33:42 -0400
> From: gpd4 <gpd4 at juno.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com, rcbsons1 at aol.com
> Message-ID: <20090704.123503.11225.9686 at mailpop04.vgs.untd.com>
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>
> Go on Craigslist where you can buy tools pennies on the dollar. Over the
> years I have bought many complete tool sets ranging from $1,000 to
> $20,000, all from (former, for varied reasons) mechanics that wanted to
> sell. Since a big tool box (empty) from Snap-On or Mac is now over $10K,
> it does not take long to spend many times that buying tools one at a
> time. And definitely buy quality for the items that you will use
> regularly. Harbor Freight quality is fine for the tools that you may
> only use once.
> GPD4
>
> On Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:58:36 +0000 Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> writes:
>>
>> OK, now that I have your attention!
>>
>> I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
>> wire-cutter pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>>
>> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up.
>> Me, myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> 1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
>> Craftsman - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no
>> "keep up with the Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you
>> have? Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or,
>> just start buying!
>>
>> 2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping
>> track of parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe
>> photos, etc. But, I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this
>> path and have lots of ideas. Then it dawned on me that I may have a
>> tracking book for one part of the project (re-doing the window
>> raises, for instance), and then on the same day, I might work on the
>> front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in a spiral-type
>> book.
>>
>> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>>
>> P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it
>> home last night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 13:18:51 -0700
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
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>
> You are not going to believe what just happened.
>
> I tried (again) to call the mechanic. His voice mailbox was (again) full.
> However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> phone.
>
> He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> police
> (which I was). Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> least.
> After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> working
> on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done. He
> claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office. I
> explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> office
> (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me). He said he was irritated(!)
> that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> beyond me).
>
> He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> could
> get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> transporting the car a bit tricky). I told him I'd be glad to help him
> put
> on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
>
> He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years. He again complained
> about
> the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
>
> He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the engine
> builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work). He said
> he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
> Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
>
> I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> illicited
> another burst of disgruntlement.
>
> He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car this
> weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon. The smart thing for
> me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as
> I
> can.
>
> As I've said before; what a nightmare.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:29:49 -0400
> From: <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: rcbsons1 at aol.com, hemipanter at hemipanter.se, detomaso at realbig.com,
> Bill Lewis <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>
> Message-ID: <43367.1246746589 at ohiotimecorp.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> My second car was a ???59 Jeep pickup. It had a flat head ???Hurricane???
> straight six in it.
>
> I will agree with what every one else has said about what you need.
> Craftsmen tools are very good, 90%
> of my tools are Craftsmen, 35 years + old too.
>
>
> A few things to add to your list:
>
> Safety glasses
> Face shield
> Fire extinguisher
> Lots of lights
> 15 different power glasses to be able to see
> A cell phone in your pocket at all times (for more then one kind of help)
>
> I do not think I could do this kind of work with out my Oxygen / Acetylene
> welding and cutting set.
> The biggest thing you will find is rusted and frozen nuts and parts. Get
> them red hot and they will
> come off. If it is just a nut and bolt???burn it off. Fast and simple.
>
> Try not to burn yourself out on the project. Set small goals that you can
> finish. Keep a ???to do??? list.
> If you can get it running as you work on it at least you can drive it and
> have some fun. A full restore
> is in the range of 2,000 hours. That is 40 hours a week for 50 weeks. Know
> what you are getting into.
> Find a friend or two to help. Everyone works better when there is two to
> do
> it.
>
> This is just normal simple car work. It is not hard to learn. Try to
> understand how it works before you
> rip it apart. Remember I have the IQ of a rock and I can do it!
>
> Have fun
>
> Larry - Cleveland
>
>
> On Sat Jul 4 13:58 , Bill Lewis sent:
>
>>
>>OK, now that I have your attention!
>>
>>I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
>>wire-cutter
> pliers, and a barb-wire
> repair tool.
>>
>>I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage
> area, so I have plenty of room.
>>
>>Two questions:
>>
>>1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman - you can buy them
> anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with the Jones" mechanic.
> What recommendations do you
> have? Anyone know of a Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just
> start buying!
>>
>>2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on
> using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But, I'm sure that plenty of
> you
> have been down this path
> and have lots of ideas. Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking
> book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front
> winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in a spiral-type book.
>>
>>Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>>
>>P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> night.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 15:49:55 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Scott Couchman <scottcouchman at yahoo.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com, Pantera Forum <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <795485.59017.qm at web30307.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
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>
> Bill, best to you as you enjoy both your Pantera and Jeep. Since you have
> the
> room, the one tool I would recommend adding to your garage is a 2-post
> lift.
> I installed one last Christmas and have loved it! It is particularly
> helpful
> for working one the Pantera, but you'll find it useful for your Jeep as
> well.
> Forget the cardboard for working under your vehicle.....just lift it up to
> whatever height you need it and work on it. The older you get, the more
> important it becomes. Take it from another old-guy shade-tree-mechanic,
> get a lift and enjoy the time you spend wrenching on your cars. Scott
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 24
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 18:19:41 -0500
> From: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] US Independance day July 4
> To: "DetomasoList" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <KFEFLEOLLPODDEBIPGDFAEDBCHAA.oldwheel at mts.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Hope you are all enjoying the celebration of your country's birthday!
> I'm very thankful you are our neighbor, friend and trusted ally.
> Sure glad your country can be counted on to stand with us for the freedom
> of
> Canada and other countries that can't defend themselves on their own
> against
> those who have other ideas. Very sad to see both our countries still
> losing
> brave sons and daughters in wars.
> God bless the United States of America.
> Best wishes to you all.
> Barry
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 25
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 19:39:19 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
> From: bill gaino <gaino at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> To: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>, Pantera List Serve
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
>
> <28740315.1246750759586.JavaMail.root at elwamui-huard.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
>
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>
> I feel for you Chris... I have a personal mechanic that comes to my shop.
> It
> keeps me in better control of what happens...I hope this ends well and
> soon
> for you.. Bill 1362
>
> -----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>>Sent: Jul 4, 2009 4:18 PM
>>To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
>>Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
>>
>>
>>You are not going to believe what just happened.
>>
>>I tried (again) to call the mechanic. His voice mailbox was (again) full.
> However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> phone.
>>
>>He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> police
> (which I was). Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> least.
> After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> working
> on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done. He
> claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office. I
> explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> office
> (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me). He said he was irritated(!)
> that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> beyond me).
>>
>>He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
>>could
> get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> transporting the car a bit tricky). I told him I'd be glad to help him
> put
> on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
>>
>>He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years. He again complained
> about
> the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
>>
>>He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the engine
> builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work). He said
> he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
> Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
>>
>>I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> illicited
> another burst of disgruntlement.
>>
>>He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car this
> weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
>>
>>As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon. The smart thing for
> me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as
> I
> can.
>>
>>As I've said before; what a nightmare.
>>
>>Sincerely,
>>
>>Chris
>>
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> Message: 26
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 17:41:43 -0600
> From: "Kerry Maguire" <kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> To: <detomaso at list.realbig.com>
> Message-ID:
>
> <F16722428795074BAC907CEE7272EED70EA6AA at win2k3server1.pioneercentres.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> I am sorry but this story is like a train wreck. It is terrible to look
> at,
> but you cannot turn your eyes away.
>
> Best of luck to you!
>
> Regards,
>
> Kerry M. Maguire #5606
>
>
> You are not going to believe what just happened.
>
> I tried (again) to call the mechanic. His voice mailbox was (again) full.
> However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on his
> phone.
>
> He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach his
> shop's landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the
> police
> (which I was). Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the
> least.
> After a barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been
> working
> on the car for the last three days, and was trying to get it done. He
> claimed he had tried to call me back several times, but got my office. I
> explained that's what happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the
> office
> (why he didn't leave a message is beyond me). He said he was irritated(!)
> that I had tried to call him so much (why he didn't return my calls is
> beyond me).
>
> He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> could
> get the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> transporting the car a bit tricky). I told him I'd be glad to help him
> put
> on the rear deck, or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
>
> He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> mechanic, but he'd been doing this for 37 years. He again complained
> about
> the small size of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as
> quickly as it should, and that he would get it done, and (here's the bad
> part): he had never worked on a Pantera before!
>
> He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the engine
> builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work). He said
> he thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
> Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement really
> made him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> further, well, he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
>
> I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine, but
> that he did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which
> illicited
> another burst of disgruntlement.
>
> He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car this
> weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon. The smart thing for
> me to do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or
> tomorrow, have him deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as
> I
> can.
>
> As I've said before; what a nightmare.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 27
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:14:50 -0400
> From: dickruzzindesign <dickruzzindesign at aol.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] US Independance day July 4
> To: "Barry Seib" <oldwheel at mts.net>, DetomasoList
> <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <F9A9B6D9.518E.4DF6.AB5B.8CA71FC29023 at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Barry,
> Very true Barry, but a lot of us are starting to worry here in the USA
> about
> enemies from within.
> I just came home from a "TEA PARTY". ?It was great to meet and speak with
> other Americans who are also concerned about the future of this wonderful
> country.
>
> God Bless You and Canada.
> --
> All the best, Dick Ruzzin.
> ________________________________________________________________________
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> 920 Whittier Rd. Grosse Pointe Park, MI 48230 /?Phone: +313-824-0539
> ?Cell:
> 313-300-9558
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 28
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2009 22:44:33 -0400
> From: "Jim Hendrickson" <chendric at bellsouth.net>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: "'Bill Lewis'" <lotus0005 at hotmail.com>, <rcbsons1 at aol.com>,
> <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>, <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <CE7D09BADD174CB888BE25ECAE19BED1 at HPDESKTOP>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>
>
> Since you will be working on a 50 year old vehicle, I would recommend you
> get six point sockets and box end wrenches. Also have a good supply of PB
> Blaster on hand.
>
> http://www.pbblaster.com/
>
> http://blasterchemical.com/display.cfm?p=50003&pid=4
>
> Jim #04091
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> Behalf Of Bill Lewis
> Sent: Saturday, July 04, 2009 1:59 PM
> To: rcbsons1 at aol.com; hemipanter at hemipanter.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
>
>
> OK, now that I have your attention!
>
> I am not a mechanic. I own 24 screwdrivers, 3 hammers, several
> wire-cutter
> pliers, and a barb-wire repair tool.
>
> I have just bought a 1959 Jeep station wagon, that I want to fix up. Me,
> myself. I have a new garage area, so I have plenty of room.
>
> Two questions:
>
> 1. I need to buy a bunch of tools. I'm going to stick with Sears
> Craftsman
> - you can buy them anywhere. Lifetime guarantee. I'm no "keep up with
> the
> Jones" mechanic. What recommendations do you have? Anyone know of a
> Craftsman "set" that is perfect for me? Or, just start buying!
>
> 2. Recommendations on how to do the process, as far as keeping track of
> parts. I had planned on using baggies, markers, maybe photos, etc. But,
> I'm sure that plenty of you have been down this path and have lots of
> ideas.
> Then it dawned on me that I may have a tracking book for one part of the
> project (re-doing the window raises, for instance), and then on the same
> day, I might work on the front winch (Jeep, remember). So, it can't be in
> a
> spiral-type book.
>
> Thanks, Bill (an excited 68-year old man) Lewis
>
> P.S. BTW, the Jeep was a one-owner from Colorado. Trailered it home last
> night.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 29
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:01:22 -0400
> From: pantdino at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8CBCB340333CBEA-141C-8B26 at webmail-dh21.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> The Pantera is a small car????
>
> Anyway I think you are right. It sounds like he decided you were
> serious about wanting your car back so, against his natural tendencies,
> he is working hard on it. Probably best to let him finish the job at
> this point.
>
> We just have to hope that he is capable of fast AND good work.
>
> I have a friend whose restorer has been "working" on his (my friend's)
> old Porsche for like 15 years. Some people have a strange idea of how
> fast things should progress. I would have changed restorers 10 years
> ago, but my friend tolerates the situation.
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sat, Jul 4, 2009 1:18 pm
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Pandora--Unbelievable!
>
>
>
> You are not going to believe what just happened.
>
> I tried (again) to call the mechanic. His voice mailbox was (again)
> full.
> However, a minute or two later he called me back, seeing my number on
> his phone.
>
> He was furious, and said his neighbors told him I was trying to reach
> his shop's
> landlord and that I was planning to come to his shop with the police
> (which I
> was). Apparently, this didn't sit well with him, to say the least.
> After a
> barrage of profanity and angry discourse, he said he'd been working on
> the car
> for the last three days, and was trying to get it done. He claimed he
> had tried
> to call me back several times, but got my office. I explained that's
> what
> happens when my cell is off--it forwards to the office (why he didn't
> leave a
> message is beyond me). He said he was irritated(!) that I had tried to
> call him
> so much (why he didn't return my calls is beyond me).
>
> He said he was going to try and fire it up today, but didn't think he
> could get
> the rear deck on by himself, so he might just leave it off (makes
> transporting
> the car a bit tricky). I told him I'd be glad to help him put on the
> rear deck,
> or better yet, take the entire thing off his hands.
>
> He went off about how he would get it done and he wasn't the fastest
> mechanic,
> but he'd been doing this for 37 years. He again complained about the
> small size
> of the car, and said how nothing ever goes together as quickly as it
> should, and
> that he would get it done, and (here's the bad part): he had never
> worked on a
> Pantera before!
>
> He told me not to bother him anymore, and to only talk to Dale (the
> engine
> builder to whom I originally gave the car for the warranty work). He
> said he
> thought we had a good conversation when I visited him at his house last
> Saturday, but that he had told me then that the police involvement
> really made
> him mad, and the talk he heard of me getting the police involved
> further, well,
> he told me "I don't need that #*&$%#!"
>
> I gently reminded him I thought our conversation last week was fine,
> but that he
> did say he'd have it ready by Wednesday or Thursday, which illicited
> another
> burst of disgruntlement.
>
> He made it painfully clear that he resented having to work on the car
> this
> weekend, which really isn't my problem, of course.
>
> As far as I'm concerned, this guy is a loaded cannon. The smart thing
> for me to
> do, I think, is to see if he really does get it done today or tomorrow,
> have him
> deliver it to Dale's shop and then go get it as fast as I can.
>
> As I've said before; what a nightmare.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Chris
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 30
> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2009 01:37:23 -0400
> From: mikeldrew at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Jeep
> To: lotus0005 at hotmail.com, rcbsons1 at aol.com, hemipanter at hemipanter.se,
> detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <8CBCB49CEA8C8A6-E74-5229 at WEBMAIL-DY26.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
>
> Bill,
>
> With respect to parts organization--get yourself hundreds of ziplock
> bags in different sizes, 3x5 index cards and a marker. Before you take
> anything apart, shoot plenty of photos with a digital camera. Keep a
> log each day of the photos that you shot.
>
> When you take a certain assembly apart, put all the various bits and
> pieces that go together into a single bag. If there are subassemblies,
> put them in smaller bags inside a single larger bag. Put a labelled
> 3x5 card inside each bag clearly stating what everything is. And if
> there is anything not immediately obvious, print out and enclose photos
> of the assembled assembly.
>
> You can never have too many tools. I started off buying a three-chest
> Craftsman tool kit--three boxes, and a fairly comprehensive assortment
> of tools, for about $1400. Many of the tools I've never used, but the
> others have paid for themselves many times over.
>
> Over the years I found the need to buy three more tool chests, and have
> filled them up with even more tools. Precision stuff warrants quality,
> but for things like prybars, hammers, cleaning brushes, etc. etc.
> Harbor Freight can't be beat.
>
> HF's step drill package (three different step drills for $9.99) may
> well be the best dollar-for-dollar tool investment you make. :>)
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 31
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:22:47 -0700
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Looking for parts
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <4A5046B7.2030100 at asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Looking for all the following parts, if you have spares you'd be willing
> to part with, please let me know: Reasonable prices appreciated.
>
> - Muffler hangers (the rubber piece) both mine are shot
> - Seat belt harness bar (the single bar that goes from shoulder harness
> bolt to should harness bolt, 1973 L model, I won't have the roll cage
> installed right away).
> - Shift boot, mine is torn to heck (I see Wilkinson has a nice price on
> them currently)
> - Heater Hot/Cold cable lever (mine has no paddle on it anymore, must
> use pliers to move.
>
> I live in Spokane, WA.
>
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
>
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
>
> 1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]
> 1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]
>
> ******************************
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 32
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:29:02 -0700
> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Headers to muffler connection
> To: Pantera List Serve <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <4A50482E.1000801 at asajay.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I believe I have a set of headers for a Pantera laying in my dad's
> garage. I've had these for going on 10 years or so I think. I keep
> forgetting I have them. My present exhaust is stock and uses a good old
> fashioned exhaust donut (muffler bearing) to seal the manifold to the
> muffler pipe near the front of the rear a-arms. This works well as the
> stock manifold has pipe protruding from the flange that the donut slips
> over to keep it in place.
>
> The Headers have no such "stick-out." So what is the recommendation?
> - Flat gaskets to mate the two?
> - Some kind of donut?
> - What kind of material?
>
> If these -are- Pantera headers.... .I might as well stick them in now
> while the car is in the air and I'm waiting for other parts to arrive.
>
> Thanks,
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>
> & Shelley Marie
> Spokane, WA
>
> 1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]
> 1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]
>
> ******************************
> http://www.asajay.com
> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 33
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 02:40:10 EDT
> From: SOBill at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Looking for parts
> To: asajay at asajay.com, detomaso at realbig.com
> Message-ID: <ca5.439ae1a1.3781a4ca at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
> Database says:
>
> _www.international-auto.com_ (http://www.international-auto.com) muffler
> hangers International Auto Parts Alfa-FIAT $3.95 each. PN# 64150
> 800-726-0555 65 to 74 GTs/GTVs
>
> SOBill Taylor
> sobill at aol.com
>
>
>
> **************It's raining cats and dogs -- Come to PawNation, a place
> where pets rule! (http://www.pawnation.com/?ncid=emlcntnew00000008)
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 34
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 08:46:41 +0000 (GMT)
> From: gudmund fr?land <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> Subject: [DeTomaso] engine oil
> To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <673535.60351.qm at web23807.mail.ird.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1
>
>
> After a lot of diskusion on this forum i was concerned of getting the
> right
> oil for my Pantera. The gas station here onley have the new stuf. After a
> little serch i found a garage seller who sell an oil name DYNOCAT.
> He had the option Supreme Classic GT 10W - 40. On the can it says it has
> Zinc 1350 ppm / Phosphorus 1150ppm. Anybody know about this oil?
> Best regards ? Gudmund Froiland ?6872
>
>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 35
> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:33:49 +0200
> From: "Tomas Gunnarsson" <guson at home.se>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] engine oil
> To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Message-ID: <000f01c9fd54$eebb1cd0$0401a8c0 at bluff>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Gudmund,
>
> I have not heard about them before but they seem to be located in Norway.
> Maybe they only sell their products in Norway?
> http://www.dynocat.no
>
> Tomas
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gudmund fr?land" <gudmundfroiland at yahoo.no>
> To: "Detomaso at Realbig. Com" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2009 10:46 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] engine oil
>
>
>> After a lot of diskusion on this forum i was concerned of getting the
> right oil for my Pantera. The gas station here onley have the new stuf.
> After a little serch i found a garage seller who sell an oil name DYNOCAT.
>> He had the option Supreme Classic GT 10W - 40. On the can it says it has
> Zinc 1350 ppm / Phosphorus 1150ppm. Anybody know about this oil?
>> Best regards Gudmund Froiland 6872
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