[DeTomaso] Two dumb techno questions

[Dave McManus]

Steve,

I replaced my old starter (original) with the 3223 DB Electrical unit last
fall. I can certainly tell a difference. I no longer have any problem with a
"hot" start. My original starter completely failed one day. I went through
the trouble shooting and replaced the solenoid & found that was not the
problem. Now I have a spare. I then bought the DB starter. I couldn't
believe how much smaller & lighter it is compared with the old one. You can
hold it up to mount with one hand. Dennis Yogi, in Hawaii, informed me of
DB. He is sold on his also. As I said the only issue is removing the old
studs and replacing with ones slightly longer (2 studs). I think about
1-1/2" longer but I can't remember exactly. I used some Liquid Wrench to
loosen the studs. Double nut them so you can back them out. The wiring is a
cinch, easy instructions are included with the starter. It sure starts
easier and faster. Once you get the studs replaced, you will have the
starter installed & wired in about 15 minutes. I did mine jacked up on the
garage floor. Let me know how it works out and if I can be of any
assistance.

IndyDave

  
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hawkins [mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:49 PM
To: Dave; MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Two dumb techno questions

Has anyone installed this starter on their Pantera?

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Dave McManus
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 9:46 AM
To: MikeLDrew at aol.com; cengles at cox.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two dumb techno questions



MINI PMGR STARTER:
model 3223 from DB Electrical - they have a storefront on ebay also. About
$47 http://www.db-starter-alternator.com/store/search.aspx
P/n 3223
I had to replace the mounting studs with longer studs because the housing is
slightly thicker, not a big deal. Easy install.



NAPA has braided ground straps, flat & about 1" wide with lugs
http://www.napaonline.com/MasterPages/NOLMaster.aspx?PageId=470&LineCode=PHI
&PartNumber=9150&Description=Battery+Cable+Grounding+Strap

IndyDave

-----Original Message-----
From: MikeLDrew at aol.com [mailto:MikeLDrew at aol.com]
Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2009 4:44 AM
To: cengles at cox.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Two dumb techno questions


In a message dated 1/24/09 14 54 42, cengles at cox.net writes:


> 1) Bad fuel gauge problem.    The car has been sitting for three (!) years
> during an engine build with the tank drained.   Now that it is up and
running
> the gauge has gone wonky.  It either reads empty or flashes back and
> forth from full to empty erratically.
>
>                   Is the gauge terminal?
>
>  >>>Probably not the gauge.   I'd suspect corrosion on the fuel sender
> (especially if you let it sit al that time without a full tank), or
corrosion
> between the wires and the tabs on the fuel sender.   Remove and clean all
> connections, then run another tank or two through it and see if it
improves?   If
> not you'll probably wind up pulling the sender, and then cycling it
manually.
> If it still acts up, new ones can be had relatively inexpensively now,
from
> Wilkinson.
>
>
>               2)  Bad starter problem.    The other car has a West Coast
> Starter (San Diego) circa 1997.   It always starts up at the first start
of the
> day, but any re-start after that is a painfully slow
> "whrrr-pause-whrrrrrrr-pause-whrrr-pause-whrrr" etc. lasting a painful
10-20 secs before it starts.
> Today, I came in from an errand and turned the car off and then
immediately
> tried to re-start it.   Same thing.
>
>                  Is the starter bad?   It doesn't seem to be the battery.
> This problem has been getting incrementally worse over the last year.
>
> >>>I'd bet the problem is corrosion on the connections and/or bad
> >>>ground.
Starting at the battery and working your way back, remove and clean all
connections, and similarly clean the ground strap.   Running a second ground
strap
from the engine to the chassis is a good idea.   JC suggested to me that the
ideal location for such a strap is from one of the starter mounting bolts to
the chassis, perhaps via the engine mount?

Mike


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