[DeTomaso] From the Horses Mouth - SSCC tire rules from Head of Tech

Thu Jan 22 15:26:34 EST 2009

I hope Crazy Dan, Darryl "SEAL" Johnson,  Jason "the Kid" Eaton, Doc Abe, Larry "Rockhouse" Stock and Rich "Marine" Hoppe and Msgt Laughlin ALL show up and all run faster then me in May.....the pressure is stressing me out and I want to cry...instead I am going to man up and hug my mom and hope that helps.

Real Men and Gladitors love to spoon!~

Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com

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From: "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:50:02 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] From the Horses Mouth - SSCC tire rules from Head of Tech

Well at least we're not stepping on your Tail!  Which... Dan Courtney  
just might do if he gets an engine back in The Beast and ends up  
following you again at either NORC or SSCC.

I might have some money to put on that.
:)
Asa Jay

Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:

> Well said AJ....but again it wasn't Doc!
> You old guys are getting on my nerves ;-]>
>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
> www.teampanteraracing.com
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "asajay at asajay.com" <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 11:14:35 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] From the Horses Mouth - SSCC tire rules from  
>  Head of Tech
>
> I know there has been some heartburn over some folks having their
> tires disqualified (such as Doc Abe's situation), so let me point out
> some other important items from the rule book:
>
>> From the Speed Rating section:
>
> C. Grand Sport Division: DOT approved “Z” or “W” rated tires are
> required. Should not be more than two years old.
>
> D. Super Sport Division: DOT approved “Z” or “Y” rated or approved
> racing tires are required.  Should not be more than two years old.
>
> (REMEMBER, even if you are entering a lower class, the tires on the
> car must be rated no lower than what the car -came- with.  So even if
> you are entering the Touring class (U rated), the over-riding rule is
> the "what came on the car" argument.)
>
>
>
> And from the other Requirements section:
>
> A. Valve stem caps made of metal with “O” ring seats are mandatory in
> all classes
>
> B. Tubes will not be allowed in tubeless tires in any class.
>
> C. IN ANY SPEED CATEGORY, TIRES OR WHEELS MAY NOT RUB ON ANY PART OF THE
> SUSPENSION, FRAME, OR BODYWORK.
>
> G. Tires must be mounted on wheels of proper width as listed by the
> tire and wheel manufacturer.
>
> That last one can be a killer.  Yea, you might find the perfect rubber
> for the speed rating, load carrying, tread pattern, etc. but if the
> tire manufacturer say's it should be mounted on a rim width between 10
> and 13 inches wide, and you mount it on a 9 inch rim... expect to get
> disqualified.  Ditto if you mount it on a 14.  The devil is in the
> -details-.
>
>
> And if there are any doubts, email Eric ahead of time.  I emailed my
> entire planned wheel/tire combo to him way ahead of time, had it
> disqualified and kept looking.  Once I hit the right combination that
> he approved, I actually made a purchase.  Even then, I could have been
> disqualified for other -stupid- things, like not having the right
> valve stem caps, or having a suspension modification that allowed
> those particular tires to rub, or had tires older than allowed for the
> class.  It's not impossible to make sure it's all done -right-, we
> just need to clearly communicate what -right- is.
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
>
>
> Quoting Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>:
>
>> For you dinosaurs still needing an excuse to race your Pantera or
>> Mangusta on 15" wheels and tires at Silver State read comments below
>>  from Eric Petterson, Head of Tire Tech at Silver State.
>>
>> I have not been following the thread on what 15" tires are still
>> available that meet the load and the speed requirements. But for the
>>  majority of the rest of you that are running 17-18" wheels there
>> are  still plenty of V, W, Y or Z rated tires (Michelin, Goodyear,
>> BFG,  etc) that do meet the SS Tech requirements.
>>
>> If you have found a 15" tire you think meets the tech rules I think
>> Scott's previous advise is still the best course to follow....that
>> is contact Eric directly.
>>
>> fwiw
>>
>>
>>
>> Mad Dawg Antenucci
>> Team Pantera Racing
>> The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing
>> www.teampanteraracing.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Eric Pettersen <tire_guy at sbcglobal.net>
>> To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, January 21, 2009 8:42:09 PM
>> Subject: SSCC tire rules
>>
>>
>> Hi Dennis,
>> Got your message. Its spelled out pretty
>> clearly.
>>
>> From the SSCC website:
>> http://www.sscc.us/rules-1-index.htm
>> Make Sure that
>> you review the TIRE REQUIREMENTS carefully! Look at the OEM TIRE
>> LOAD RATING as well as the SPEED RATING.  Review the tire section
>> completely not just the abbreviated version for your
>> division.
>> http://www.sscc.us/docs/SSCC%20-%202008%20Rule%20Book.pdf
>> This language has been in place since September of 1992, and was
>> revised in 1999 (the original vehicle used in example # 1 was my  
>> 1968 Mustang
>> but was changed to a more relevant vehicle).XIII. TIRE REGULATIONS
>> 1. LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY: ALL
>> TIRES MUST HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER
>> LOAD CARRYING CAPACITY THAN THE ORIGINAL TIRE. (i.e. The base tire  
>> for a 1999
>> Mustang is a P205/65R15 rated @ 1400 lbs. Any replacement tire
>> must have a load rating of at least
>> 1400 lbs. Regardless of the speed rating or what Division/Class
>> the vehicle is competing.)
>> 2. SPEED RATING: ALL TIRES MUST
>> HAVE AN EQUAL OR GREATER SPEED
>> RATING THAN ORIGINAL EQUIPMENT (OEM) REGARDLESS OF WHAT
>> DIVISION/CLASS THE VEHICLE IS COMPETING IN. (i.e., A 1992 BMW 535i comes
>> equipped with 225/60VR15 tire from the factory. The
>> car must have tires with an equal or higher speed
>> rating to compete in any class, including
>> Touring.)
>> And:D. Tires must be in excellent
>> condition and suitable for sustained use at the car’s maximum
>> speed.
>>
>> I hope this clears things
>> up.
>>
>> Eric
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