[DeTomaso] up size wheels and tires
Charles Engles
cengles at cox.net
Wed Jan 14 22:33:11 EST 2009
Dear Boyd,
Hmm. Pantera International Spring 2002 no. 110 has
an article on page 20 about my friend, Jim Duncan's Pantera. He used
Mustang 17" wheels. Specifically, he used 1997 Cobra R model chrome five
spokes. The front 17 x 8 wheels fit perfectly without any spacers. The
rear 17 x 11" wheels fit perfectly without any spacers.
I liked the look and the price. Jim kindly offered
to permit me to mount his wheels on my Pantera to double check the fitment.
The good news is that the front wheels did fit fine. The bad news is that
the rear wheels did NOT. Close inspection showed interference between the
wheel and the lower a arm support. My car has stock brakes. Jim's car
has aftermarket brakes which change the offset a quarter of an inch and
permit the serendipitous fit without spacers. I looked into spacers. The
good news is that they are available. The bad news is that there are not
very many 1/4" spacers from my quickie search of the 'net. The other bad
news is that they're rather frowned upon for track events and I did witness
a turbo 911 slide, break off the studs, roll and suffer significant damage
from an overstressed wheel spacer.
More bad news. If you go to the A.F.S. ( Autumn
Fleet Sales) website, then you will see that there is more than one
size-offset-backspace for the 17 x8 and 17 x11 wheels. I can't remember
what the correct Pantera numbers are, but you'd have to do a bit of homework
to see what comes closest to the proper offset as well as the spacer, too,
if you have a stock rear brake set up.
If you don't like the Campy look, then I would strongly
suggest you call Pantera Performance Center at 303-660-9798 (or is it
9897?) Ask Becky to send you a brochure about their wheels. There is more
than one style available and if you order from PPC, then it will be a bolt
on-no headache deal. The only issue is that they are pricey, but worth it.
Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 14, 2009 5:11 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] up size wheels and tires
> Hey Boyd,
>
> You didn't copy the List so I will (your welcome)....to summarize Boyd's
> questions... has anyone mounted and driving:
>
> 1) Mustang wheels on a Pantera's?What year/model Name/# ? he wants
> details.
>
> 2) Any other no-look-campy & non vendor aftermarket wheel that fits
> Pantera?
>
> Doesn't sound like Boyd wants to experiment fitting spackers so let him
> know your success stories with Mustang or other aftermarket wheels.
>
> Good Luck Boyd
>
> Dawg
>
>
> boyd casey <boyd411 at gmail.com> wrote: I am not really interested in
> Campy clones. i wanted to go with a different look. I remember someone on
> the list saying that wheels made for mustangs would fit the lug pattern.
> How do I determine or modify the offset if I don't want to buy whells from
> a Pantera Vendor. On my 911 I( which had 15"s I went with 17's on fornt
> and 18"s on back with the appropriate low profile tires and the correct
> widths ( narrower on front and wider on rear) The tires I used were z
> rated Nitto's but I don't remember the actual size. I would like to
> acheive the same basic type of look , but I definitly wan't toavoid any
> rubbing or bottoming out problems and any steering problems on the front.
> Can anyone tell me what year mustang wheels are compatiable? ( so if I
> shop I can say I am looking for wheels that fit a ______ Mustang and know
> they are going to fit. Besides not being crazy about the campy clones I
> don't know of any Pantera specific vendors near me
> and I don't want buy these sight unseen.
> Boyd
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2009 at 1:11 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> Fwiw, keep in mind Steve Wilkinson and some of the other vendors are also
> making 18x9.5" rears Campy clones .....Art "Crash" Stephens and I both got
> our 17x8" fronts and 18x9.5" " rear forged wheels from Steve due in part
> to the fact that it became difficult to find Y & Z speed rated rear 17"
> tires that were also 27" in diameter. I'm happy the way they and the BFG
> G-Force KDW's handle on the road and the track....I have not noticed any
> difference in handling over an earlier 16" Front and 17" rear wheel
> change. Check photos of the mounted wheels and tires on our web site
> <www.teampanteraracing.com>
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
>
>
>
> MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 1/13/09 18 59 7, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
>
>
>> Any opinions would be welcome .
>>
>
> Lots of people put 17s on the front and rear. The vendors like to push
> this
> option for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that it keeps
> *their* costs way down, because they only have to produce 17-inch wheel
> centers,
> which can be used on both front and rear wheels.
>
> When Wilkinson first came out with the idea of modern wheels in the Campy
> mold, he realized that due to the differences in the backspacing between
> front
> and rear, the rear wheels needed to be larger in diameter than the front
> ones in
> order for them to actually look the same. To that end, he created a system
> with 16x8 front wheels and 17x11 rears. Later, Marino at Pantera East
> followed suit.
>
> Tire availability is a concern for some; there are only about a dozen
> 245/45-16 front tires available, while there are almost 70 (!) different
> 245/40-17
> tires, FWIW....
>
> Mike
>
>
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