[DeTomaso] Fw: Why use a 351 Cleveland rather then a 351 Windsor??

[Will Demelo]

<<<<<I thought I remembered Dan Jones or someone else mentioning a machine 
shop that was planning to cast the C block again...anyone know status of 
that??
Dan??>>>>>

That's Todd Buttermoore from the 335 forum. He has cast a sample with good 
results. So good that he is now accepting deposits for those wanting to 
purchase the first batch that get machined.
Will

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mad Dog Antenucci" <teampantera at yahoo.com>
To: " "Göran" Malmberg" <hemipanter at hemipanter.se>; <bwerner at live.com>; 
<DeTomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 4:02 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Why use a 351 Cleveland rather then a 351 Windsor??


> Excelleng point Goran.
>
> While its getting allot harder to find stock bore Cleveland blocks that 
> will pass a sonic test  my street Cleveland rebuilds  even with iron 
> quench heads and a Holly Strip Dominator intake have always made a 
> consistant 375-400RWHP. That's rear wheel not flywheel HP.
>
> I thought I remembered Dan Jones or someone else mentioning a machine shop 
> that was planning to cast the C block again...anyone know status of that??
> Dan??
>
> I was told by my engine builder (Russ Fulps) he could easily deliver 450 
> RWHP with my current Cleveland with 302B heads and he did that plus 
> more...we got 450RWHP and another 50 with IR-EFI @ 6,000 rpm in 2008 with 
> a ported and polished custom Kelly Cofield IR intake with 302B heads and 
> 180 degree headers.  I actually think there is more there to gain...With 
> my taller 3.77 ring gear and taller .655 5th gear the pantera is easily 
> pushing 180 mph at Silver State and other sanctioned races at 6,000....at 
> the s
> ame time I spend 90% of the time cruising the back roads or the Pacific 
> Coast Highway at baby double digit legal speeds. . .
>
> Mad Dawg Antenucci
> Team Pantera Racing
> "Go Fast or Go Home"
>
> Göran Malmberg <hemipanter at hemipanter.se> wrote: The difference between 
> the two engines is not that big. My son ran
> a low 11 sec on the strip with a closed chamber 351C. I have yet
> to see a windsor Pantera doing so. We have a PI 427W Pantera
> here that didnt manage these numbers.
> Goran
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From:
> To:
> Sent: Friday, January 02, 2009 8:39 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Why use a 351 Cleveland rather then a 351 Windsor??
>
>
>> Ok you ford guys, why would I want to put a 351 Cleveland back in my
>> Pantera, instead of using a much better engine, the 351 Windsor??
>>
>> I have used and raced Chevrolets all my life until I purchased my 73L. 
>> It
>> of course came with a 351 Cleveland with the big ported heads (which are
>> useless on the street).  I had a custom built 351 Cleveland with Aluminum
>> Heads and complete roller motor built, and It is ready to go into the car
>> now.  I happened to be at a Barnes & Noble and purchased a book on 
>> Windsor
>> engines, it seems to me that would have been a better way to go.  Any
>> input would be greatly appreciated as I know nothing about ford engines.
>>
>> I hope I didn't open a can of worms, but I think we could all benefit 
>> from
>> this discussion.  Thanks.
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