[DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite

Ron Graves rlg1973dt at charter.net
Fri Jan 2 10:52:31 EST 2009 

John,
Thanks for the followup and clarification.  I will confirm that none of the rotors I tried came in a "Wagner" container, although they carried the Wagner part number.  The ones I used were Ford NOS in some cases (in original Ford box), and other non-Wagner packaging, including a Kelsey-Hayes USA unit.   The Wagner-specific part must be different.  Fortunate that they are available.   

Happy New Year.  
Ron
---- John Taphorn <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com> wrote: 
> Ron
> 
> As you are aware, I have tremendous respect for your mechanical ability and 
> integrity.  I am confident that you encountered the stud size discrepancy 
> you noted on the hats that you utilized.
> 
> Fortunately, my experience was different on the Wagner rotor and the Pantera 
> studs interfaced as if made for it. Optimistically, my car is not unusual 
> and the Wagner rotor is different from others you have tried and a true 
> solution.  I do not have a better explanation.  I did a warrantee exchange 
> recently and the Pantera studs, when swapped from the old set, fit the new 
> set as expected.
> 
> BTW, that is another benefit of these rotors.  I had used a very abrasive 
> pad the prematurely wore the rotor. I was able to return the rotor to my 
> local O'Reillys for a free replacement under the lifetime warrantee.
> 
> Happy New Year
> 
> JT
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Ron Graves" <rlg1973dt at charter.net>
> To: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>; "Ian H" 
> <ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
> 
> 
> >I hate to muddy the waters on this often-discussed topic, but I converted 
> >several sets of two-piece Mustang rotors to the Pantera about 5-6 years ago 
> >and always found it necessary to enlarge the holes in the rotor to accept 
> >the Pantera 12 mm stud.  The non-knurled part of the Pantera stud is 17 mm 
> >diameter, and the matching area of the 1965-67 Mustang 1/2 inch stud is 
> >about 16 mm.  I bought a 17 mm drill bit and enlarged  the holes in the 
> >Mustang disc, after separating it from the hub.  In doing so, you can 
> >actually re-use the OEM Pantera hub/bearing piece.  In having done this on 
> >several sets of USA and Chinese rotor/hub (two-piece) parts for 65-67 
> >Mustangs, I found them all to have the same dimensions and enlarged the 
> >holes in disc to 17 mm to use the Pantera lugs.  It sound like others have 
> >found a different approach.
> >
> > Also double check with the vendors on the Wagner rotor/hub units.  I found 
> > some parts with the Wagner number 60208 that turned out to be one-piece. 
> > Get them to send you a photo of the actual part you are purchasing.  Good 
> > luck.
> > Ron
> > ---- Ian H <ihannington286720mi at comcast.net> wrote:
> >> I don't know why I never saw a post about the two piece Wagner rotors.  I
> >> saved posts about Stainless Steel Brakes rotors and the poor quality 
> >> chinese
> >> rotors, but I don't remember anthing about Wagners. .........Wierd!
> >>
> >> I ordered some EBC rotors and they are due to be in tommorrow.  If they
> >> happen to be two piece and work with the Pantera studs, then I'll keep 
> >> them.
> >> But I doubt that will be the case, so I'll just return them and get the
> >> Wagners and make my life a lot easier.
> >>
> >> After actually pulling a rotor off my car and pressing out a stud, I now 
> >> see
> >> why they wouldn't work!
> >>
> >> Thanks for all the help!
> >>
> >> Ian
> >>
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> >> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:01 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
> >>
> >>
> >> > Thanks Larry
> >> >
> >> > I've grown a little lazy repeating myself on this thread.  I appreciate
> >> > you
> >> > chiming in to help with guidance.
> >> >
> >> > To give full credit where it is due, I learned this application from
> >> > Michael
> >> > Frazier who originally posted the mod on this Forum.
> >> >
> >> > JT
> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> >> > From: <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> >> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> >> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:20 PM
> >> > Subject: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Ian,
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This is too late for your installation, but it bears repeating.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> John Taphorn has reported there IS a replacement 66 Mustang rotor that
> >> >>
> >> >> is still supplied as a two piece unit. Hub/hat unit and a separate 
> >> >> rotor,
> >> >> the
> >> >>
> >> >> two of them held together with the wheel studs.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This is an important design detail. Read on.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> He further states that the shoulder size for the studs in this unit is
> >> >> the
> >> >> same
> >> >>
> >> >> as the stock Pantera metric studs. Thus, you remove the metric studs 
> >> >> from
> >> >>
> >> >> your OEM rotor, remove the SAE studs from the new rotor,? and swap 
> >> >> your
> >> >>
> >> >> stock studs to the new assembly.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your only mismatch will be the Pantera hub dust cover does not fit the
> >> >> Mustang hub.?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> This item is supplied/made by Wagner. They are an old time USA brake
> >> >> system
> >> >>
> >> >> parts manufacturer, and no doubt tooled up for these Mustang units
> >> >> decades
> >> >>
> >> >> ago, unlike the new China manufacturers. To save costs, the China 
> >> >> units
> >> >> are
> >> >>
> >> >> all one-piece hub/rotor pieces. Likewise, to save costs, Wagner 
> >> >> continues
> >> >> to
> >> >>
> >> >> make theirs as two piece units - as originally supplied by Ford on the
> >> >> Mustang.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Additionally, John says the separated rotors can, with perhaps some 
> >> >> minor
> >> >>
> >> >> caliper grinding, be a direct swap for the REAR rotors, too. John has
> >> >> done
> >> >>
> >> >> this install personally.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I have four of these sitting on the shelf, and hope to do the install
> >> >> this
> >> >> winter.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Wagner part # is 60209. Made in the USA!!
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> RockAuto (located in Wisconsin) website shows they will sell, and 
> >> >> ship,
> >> >>
> >> >> TWO of these to my CA address for $145.89 - not each,? but BOTH.
> >> >>
> >> >> Required dust covers are DORMAN # 13975:? $2.98 each.
> >> >>
> >> >> Go to their home page -
> >> >>
> >> >> http://tinyurl.com/8afqsp
> >> >>
> >> >> Click 'part number search', punch in 'BD60209' (leave the other 
> >> >> selection
> >> >> windows blank) and you're there.
> >> >>
> >> >> Larry
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
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