[DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite

Fri Jan 2 08:59:54 EST 2009

Ron

As you are aware, I have tremendous respect for your mechanical ability and 
integrity.  I am confident that you encountered the stud size discrepancy 
you noted on the hats that you utilized.

Fortunately, my experience was different on the Wagner rotor and the Pantera 
studs interfaced as if made for it. Optimistically, my car is not unusual 
and the Wagner rotor is different from others you have tried and a true 
solution.  I do not have a better explanation.  I did a warrantee exchange 
recently and the Pantera studs, when swapped from the old set, fit the new 
set as expected.

BTW, that is another benefit of these rotors.  I had used a very abrasive 
pad the prematurely wore the rotor. I was able to return the rotor to my 
local O'Reillys for a free replacement under the lifetime warrantee.

Happy New Year

JT
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ron Graves" <rlg1973dt at charter.net>
To: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>; "Ian H" 
<ihannington286720mi at comcast.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 10:16 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite

>I hate to muddy the waters on this often-discussed topic, but I converted 
>several sets of two-piece Mustang rotors to the Pantera about 5-6 years ago 
>and always found it necessary to enlarge the holes in the rotor to accept 
>the Pantera 12 mm stud.  The non-knurled part of the Pantera stud is 17 mm 
>diameter, and the matching area of the 1965-67 Mustang 1/2 inch stud is 
>about 16 mm.  I bought a 17 mm drill bit and enlarged  the holes in the 
>Mustang disc, after separating it from the hub.  In doing so, you can 
>actually re-use the OEM Pantera hub/bearing piece.  In having done this on 
>several sets of USA and Chinese rotor/hub (two-piece) parts for 65-67 
>Mustangs, I found them all to have the same dimensions and enlarged the 
>holes in disc to 17 mm to use the Pantera lugs.  It sound like others have 
>found a different approach.
>
> Also double check with the vendors on the Wagner rotor/hub units.  I found 
> some parts with the Wagner number 60208 that turned out to be one-piece. 
> Get them to send you a photo of the actual part you are purchasing.  Good 
> luck.
> Ron
> ---- Ian H <ihannington286720mi at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I don't know why I never saw a post about the two piece Wagner rotors.  I
>> saved posts about Stainless Steel Brakes rotors and the poor quality 
>> chinese
>> rotors, but I don't remember anthing about Wagners. .........Wierd!
>>
>> I ordered some EBC rotors and they are due to be in tommorrow.  If they
>> happen to be two piece and work with the Pantera studs, then I'll keep 
>> them.
>> But I doubt that will be the case, so I'll just return them and get the
>> Wagners and make my life a lot easier.
>>
>> After actually pulling a rotor off my car and pressing out a stud, I now 
>> see
>> why they wouldn't work!
>>
>> Thanks for all the help!
>>
>> Ian
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
>> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:01 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
>>
>>
>> > Thanks Larry
>> >
>> > I've grown a little lazy repeating myself on this thread.  I appreciate
>> > you
>> > chiming in to help with guidance.
>> >
>> > To give full credit where it is due, I learned this application from
>> > Michael
>> > Frazier who originally posted the mod on this Forum.
>> >
>> > JT
>> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> > From: <fresnofinches at aol.com>
>> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
>> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:20 PM
>> > Subject: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
>> >
>> >
>> >> Ian,
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is too late for your installation, but it bears repeating.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> John Taphorn has reported there IS a replacement 66 Mustang rotor that
>> >>
>> >> is still supplied as a two piece unit. Hub/hat unit and a separate 
>> >> rotor,
>> >> the
>> >>
>> >> two of them held together with the wheel studs.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is an important design detail. Read on.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> He further states that the shoulder size for the studs in this unit is
>> >> the
>> >> same
>> >>
>> >> as the stock Pantera metric studs. Thus, you remove the metric studs 
>> >> from
>> >>
>> >> your OEM rotor, remove the SAE studs from the new rotor,? and swap 
>> >> your
>> >>
>> >> stock studs to the new assembly.
>> >>
>> >> Your only mismatch will be the Pantera hub dust cover does not fit the
>> >> Mustang hub.?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This item is supplied/made by Wagner. They are an old time USA brake
>> >> system
>> >>
>> >> parts manufacturer, and no doubt tooled up for these Mustang units
>> >> decades
>> >>
>> >> ago, unlike the new China manufacturers. To save costs, the China 
>> >> units
>> >> are
>> >>
>> >> all one-piece hub/rotor pieces. Likewise, to save costs, Wagner 
>> >> continues
>> >> to
>> >>
>> >> make theirs as two piece units - as originally supplied by Ford on the
>> >> Mustang.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Additionally, John says the separated rotors can, with perhaps some 
>> >> minor
>> >>
>> >> caliper grinding, be a direct swap for the REAR rotors, too. John has
>> >> done
>> >>
>> >> this install personally.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I have four of these sitting on the shelf, and hope to do the install
>> >> this
>> >> winter.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Wagner part # is 60209. Made in the USA!!
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> RockAuto (located in Wisconsin) website shows they will sell, and 
>> >> ship,
>> >>
>> >> TWO of these to my CA address for $145.89 - not each,? but BOTH.
>> >>
>> >> Required dust covers are DORMAN # 13975:? $2.98 each.
>> >>
>> >> Go to their home page -
>> >>
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/8afqsp
>> >>
>> >> Click 'part number search', punch in 'BD60209' (leave the other 
>> >> selection
>> >> windows blank) and you're there.
>> >>
>> >> Larry
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
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