[DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite

Thu Jan 1 23:16:47 EST 2009

I hate to muddy the waters on this often-discussed topic, but I converted several sets of two-piece Mustang rotors to the Pantera about 5-6 years ago and always found it necessary to enlarge the holes in the rotor to accept the Pantera 12 mm stud.  The non-knurled part of the Pantera stud is 17 mm diameter, and the matching area of the 1965-67 Mustang 1/2 inch stud is about 16 mm.  I bought a 17 mm drill bit and enlarged  the holes in the Mustang disc, after separating it from the hub.  In doing so, you can actually re-use the OEM Pantera hub/bearing piece.  In having done this on several sets of USA and Chinese rotor/hub (two-piece) parts for 65-67 Mustangs, I found them all to have the same dimensions and enlarged the holes in disc to 17 mm to use the Pantera lugs.  It sound like others have found a different approach.  

Also double check with the vendors on the Wagner rotor/hub units.  I found some parts with the Wagner number 60208 that turned out to be one-piece.  Get them to send you a photo of the actual part you are purchasing.  Good luck.
Ron
---- Ian H <ihannington286720mi at comcast.net> wrote: 
> I don't know why I never saw a post about the two piece Wagner rotors.  I 
> saved posts about Stainless Steel Brakes rotors and the poor quality chinese 
> rotors, but I don't remember anthing about Wagners. .........Wierd!
> 
> I ordered some EBC rotors and they are due to be in tommorrow.  If they 
> happen to be two piece and work with the Pantera studs, then I'll keep them. 
> But I doubt that will be the case, so I'll just return them and get the 
> Wagners and make my life a lot easier.
> 
> After actually pulling a rotor off my car and pressing out a stud, I now see 
> why they wouldn't work!
> 
> Thanks for all the help!
> 
> Ian
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Taphorn" <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 8:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
> 
> 
> > Thanks Larry
> >
> > I've grown a little lazy repeating myself on this thread.  I appreciate 
> > you
> > chiming in to help with guidance.
> >
> > To give full credit where it is due, I learned this application from 
> > Michael
> > Frazier who originally posted the mod on this Forum.
> >
> > JT
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: <fresnofinches at aol.com>
> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, January 01, 2009 3:20 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] MUSTANG ROTORS - WAS: Which Loctite
> >
> >
> >> Ian,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is too late for your installation, but it bears repeating.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> John Taphorn has reported there IS a replacement 66 Mustang rotor that
> >>
> >> is still supplied as a two piece unit. Hub/hat unit and a separate rotor,
> >> the
> >>
> >> two of them held together with the wheel studs.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This is an important design detail. Read on.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> He further states that the shoulder size for the studs in this unit is 
> >> the
> >> same
> >>
> >> as the stock Pantera metric studs. Thus, you remove the metric studs from
> >>
> >> your OEM rotor, remove the SAE studs from the new rotor,? and swap your
> >>
> >> stock studs to the new assembly.
> >>
> >> Your only mismatch will be the Pantera hub dust cover does not fit the
> >> Mustang hub.?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> This item is supplied/made by Wagner. They are an old time USA brake
> >> system
> >>
> >> parts manufacturer, and no doubt tooled up for these Mustang units 
> >> decades
> >>
> >> ago, unlike the new China manufacturers. To save costs, the China units
> >> are
> >>
> >> all one-piece hub/rotor pieces. Likewise, to save costs, Wagner continues
> >> to
> >>
> >> make theirs as two piece units - as originally supplied by Ford on the
> >> Mustang.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Additionally, John says the separated rotors can, with perhaps some minor
> >>
> >> caliper grinding, be a direct swap for the REAR rotors, too. John has 
> >> done
> >>
> >> this install personally.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I have four of these sitting on the shelf, and hope to do the install 
> >> this
> >> winter.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Wagner part # is 60209. Made in the USA!!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> RockAuto (located in Wisconsin) website shows they will sell, and ship,
> >>
> >> TWO of these to my CA address for $145.89 - not each,? but BOTH.
> >>
> >> Required dust covers are DORMAN # 13975:? $2.98 each.
> >>
> >> Go to their home page -
> >>
> >> http://tinyurl.com/8afqsp
> >>
> >> Click 'part number search', punch in 'BD60209' (leave the other selection
> >> windows blank) and you're there.
> >>
> >> Larry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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