[DeTomaso] Pantera sold on eBay

Wed Feb 18 10:55:12 EST 2009

Michael,

Will you please chisel this on two stone tablets for eternity.

Larry - (Moses)Cleveland

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From: michael at michaelshortt.com [mailto:michaelsavga at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 10:45 AM
To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com
Cc: thefuture98070 at yahoo.com; kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com;
detomaso at realbig.com; MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera sold on eBay

So Gentlemen, what';s the lesson.

1) eBay is a fine instrument for being taken if you don't follow the rules.

2) Have somebody go inspect the car if you can't.

3) an airline ticket is way cheaper insurance before you turn over cash and
gives you the ability walk away before it's yours

4) Crap is worth what somebody will pay for it, no more, no less

5) 99% of the time on cars, you only make money when you buy them right, not
when you sell them.

6) This hobby is like Vegas, you don't play with money that you can't afford
to lose.

7) You meet the nicest people on a Honda, you meet the world's biggest
scumbags when you sell exotic cars. 

because in order to play in that field you generally started with smaller
and cheaper cars and screwed people over 

on your way to the top of the food chain.  Buy from people you know or from
people who know people you know.

8) a reserve is what it says and any seller with a brain knows that the car
might not sell, but eBay eggs you on in the last 3 days with

Hey, asshole, lower your reserve ( because what that really means is that
unless you sell the car, we only get the listing fee and no commission % )

You can't bid on your own stuff, you can have a friend do it for you, but
then you still have to pay the sales commission. 

So if you don't want to follow through, the best thing is to just let it die
below the reserve, it's a cheaper way out.

9) get Mike Drew to go look at the car, test drive it, work on it for free
and then deliver it, that my friends is Freaking priceless.

BONUS LIFE LESSON.

10) all self made gagillionaires who are "incredibily nice guys" ( sick of
hearing that one ) were at some point in their lives

real SOB's, that's how they got there, they only get to be nice now because
they already have theirs.

Michael "Cynical in Savannah"

On Wed, Feb 18, 2009 at 10:21 AM, Larry - Ohio Time Corp
<larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:

When I bought my GT5 shell I put my eBay bid in at the last second and was
high bidder with 2K still to go on my max bid. I was out bid on the last 1/2
second. Within 1 minute of the sale end I get a second chance offer at my
max bid. I knew what happened. I knew they did it to find and get my max
bid. I should have walked away. It was the max I was willing to pay so I
took it.

When the trucking company delivered it, I knew I should have walked away
even more.

Larry (felt used) - Cleveland

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of chris terp
Sent: Tuesday, February 17, 2009 5:28 PM
To: kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com; detomaso at realbig.com; MikeLDrew at aol.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]   Pantera sold on eBay

Actually, I've been a victim of sellers outbidding their own product so they
don't lose.  For instance, this person might have wanted $40k for the car,
advertised it as 'no reserve', and then bid $35k for their own car so they
would not lose.

Or they could have had a friend bid up the price well knowing they would not
be held accountable for the purchase.

It's hard for EBay to keep track of these types of sellers.  Seller history
is a good way to check.  Also, you can ask EBay if there was potentially
fraudulant activity there and they will check it out.

Chris Terp
#6571

--- On Tue, 2/17/09, MikeLDrew at aol.com <MikeLDrew at aol.com> wrote:

From: MikeLDrew at aol.com <MikeLDrew at aol.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]   Pantera sold on eBay
To: kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com, detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Tuesday, February 17, 2009, 12:04 PM

In a message dated 2/17/09 11 50 22, kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com writes:

> I don't have any experience with eBay, but the bidding pattern is
> certainly suspect. The winning bidder bid against himself from $30K to
> the "winning" bid of $35K in the space of 50 minutes.
>
>
>
> Maybe we will see this car come up for auction again...
>
You gotta read the fine print.   The bidding history does not show automatic

bids.   So, somebody put in a bid with a 'max bid' of 30K, let's
say.   Then
somebody else manually bids $20K.   E-bay accepts his bid and raises it to
$21K.   E-bay accepts that and raises it again, and so on until the manual
bidder
either quits, or he makes a bid higher than the automatic bidder's max bid.

The manual bidder is then in the lead, and E-bay sends an e-mail to the
automatic bidder, telling him that he's been outbid, and offering him the
chance
raise his stated max bid.

And so on...

Mike

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