[DeTomaso] Oil Coolers (again)

[Mad Dog Antenucci]

No NOT the same....think Black Lab not toy poodle.
Are you still running stock ring and 5th?
What radiator?

 
Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com




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From: Dan Courtney <dfcex at pacbell.net>
To: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>; JDeRyke at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 4, 2009 2:22:28 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Coolers (again)

 
Is this "big boy" Luminova different than 
those placed in the Crown Vics? Where is a good place to get one?
And will it work better than the large Fluidyne 
oil-water exchange unit I've been running (which never seemed to do much on 
these SS runs)?
The benefit of running an oil cooler up front seems 
to apply more for air-oil coolers to catch some breeze. I don't think the 
weight transfer of just a cooler is a significant enough reason to run the 
longer lines and have oil fittings in front of all four tires. An oil-water 
exchange unit may as well be placed wherever it's 
convienant. 
By the way, "The Beast" runs 6k plus rpms over the 
90 miles. 5k rpms is for wussies.
 
Dan
Dan F. Courtney
 
La Jolla, CA
 
(858) 551-5455 Phone
(858) 551-5456 Fax
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Mad Dog  Antenucci 
To: JDeRyke at aol.com ; dfcex at pacbell.net ; detomaso at realbig.com 
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:15  AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Coolers  (again)

Here  we go again.. . .

If the goal here is to reduce oil temps in a 500+  RWHP engine in an endurance race  make sure you get the big boy  Luminova/Aeroquip OR Fluidyne oil cooler  for a race prepared engine and  not that little piss ant cop car thing Jack or JT have on their Panteras for  show! ;-]> 

It may be okay for a street Pantera with moderate  350-400RWHP to run a 20-25 minutes of open track session at Fernley, TWS or  Willow Springs or to cruise to Vegas but if you want to run your big boy  500-600RWHP powered Pantera engine above 5,000 R's for more then a few minutes  with that kind of engine you better make sure you get the big boy cooler and  gears because even with a dry sump its not enough to keep the oil cool. Junior  Wilson, Larry Stock, Bob Benson and I all had to go to taller gears. 

I  liked Mike Anderson's Cessna wind tunnel tests but about all they proved was  Mike was NOT ever going fast enough (above 5,000 R's) or long enough at Silver  State to need one. I like the idea of a front mounted oil cooler for a race  Pantera...and assuming it is big enough it should work with a dry sump  system.

 





Mad Dawg Antenucci 
Team Pantera Racing 
The 1st & still the only vintage race team in open road  racing 
www.teampanteraracing.com 




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 From: "JDeRyke at aol.com"  <JDeRyke at aol.com>
To: dfcex at pacbell.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 6:13:31  PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso]  Oil Coolers (again)

In a message dated 2/1/09 2:41:51 AM, dfcex at pacbell.net writes:

>  I'm getting The Beast's engine back together and I need to either have my 
> Fluidyne oil/water exchange unit electrolyzed (sp?) to get the metal  out ($250 
> quote) or go with something else.
> 
Dan, I would  NEVER re-use a welded oil cooler like a Fluidyne on another 
engine after  it had been on a grenaded assembly. NASCAR tells the story of one 
crew  chief that lost four (4) motors at Daytona one year. The first let go during 
practice, and the following three blew from the crap left inside the oil 
cooler after careful cleaning out each time. The biggest Fluidyne  oil-to-water is 
as good as oil coolers get, but after one blow-up, they  are 'conversation 
pieces' IMHO. The tubular Laminova/Aeroquips are equally  good and CAN BE 
DISASSEMBLED AND BRUSH-CLEANED, which is why I recommend  them over the Fluidyne. D 
Quella runs one of these in his  racecar.
Mounting ANY air-to-oil cooler anywhere on the Pantera is a waste  of energy. 
Mike Anderson ran several ORRs with a huge air-to-oil cooler  mounted in the 
rear A/C area, with a professional dry-sump system and  enormous oil lines, and 
even that was marginal according to his figures.  Good luck next time out- J 
Deryke


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