[DeTomaso] Oil Coolers (again)

[Dan Courtney]

Is this "big boy" Luminova different than those placed in the Crown Vics? Where is a good place to get one?
And will it work better than the large Fluidyne oil-water exchange unit I've been running (which never seemed to do much on these SS runs)?
The benefit of running an oil cooler up front seems to apply more for air-oil coolers to catch some breeze. I don't think the weight transfer of just a cooler is a significant enough reason to run the longer lines and have oil fittings in front of all four tires. An oil-water exchange unit may as well be placed wherever it's convienant. 
By the way, "The Beast" runs 6k plus rpms over the 90 miles. 5k rpms is for wussies.

Dan
Dan F. Courtney

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Mad Dog Antenucci 
  To: JDeRyke at aol.com ; dfcex at pacbell.net ; detomaso at realbig.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2009 9:15 AM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Coolers (again)


  Here we go again.. . .

  If the goal here is to reduce oil temps in a 500+ RWHP engine in an endurance race  make sure you get the big boy Luminova/Aeroquip OR Fluidyne oil cooler  for a race prepared engine and not that little piss ant cop car thing Jack or JT have on their Panteras for show! ;-]> 

  It may be okay for a street Pantera with moderate 350-400RWHP to run a 20-25 minutes of open track session at Fernley, TWS or Willow Springs or to cruise to Vegas but if you want to run your big boy 500-600RWHP powered Pantera engine above 5,000 R's for more then a few minutes with that kind of engine you better make sure you get the big boy cooler and gears because even with a dry sump its not enough to keep the oil cool. Junior Wilson, Larry Stock, Bob Benson and I all had to go to taller gears. 

  I liked Mike Anderson's Cessna wind tunnel tests but about all they proved was Mike was NOT ever going fast enough (above 5,000 R's) or long enough at Silver State to need one. I like the idea of a front mounted oil cooler for a race Pantera...and assuming it is big enough it should work with a dry sump system.

   





  Mad Dawg Antenucci 
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  From: "JDeRyke at aol.com" <JDeRyke at aol.com>
  To: dfcex at pacbell.net; detomaso at realbig.com
  Sent: Monday, February 2, 2009 6:13:31 PM
  Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Oil Coolers (again)

  In a message dated 2/1/09 2:41:51 AM, dfcex at pacbell.net writes:

  > I'm getting The Beast's engine back together and I need to either have my 
  > Fluidyne oil/water exchange unit electrolyzed (sp?) to get the metal out ($250 
  > quote) or go with something else.
  > 
  Dan, I would NEVER re-use a welded oil cooler like a Fluidyne on another 
  engine after it had been on a grenaded assembly. NASCAR tells the story of one 
  crew chief that lost four (4) motors at Daytona one year. The first let go during 
  practice, and the following three blew from the crap left inside the oil 
  cooler after careful cleaning out each time. The biggest Fluidyne oil-to-water is 
  as good as oil coolers get, but after one blow-up, they are 'conversation 
  pieces' IMHO. The tubular Laminova/Aeroquips are equally good and CAN BE 
  DISASSEMBLED AND BRUSH-CLEANED, which is why I recommend them over the Fluidyne. D 
  Quella runs one of these in his racecar.
  Mounting ANY air-to-oil cooler anywhere on the Pantera is a waste of energy. 
  Mike Anderson ran several ORRs with a huge air-to-oil cooler mounted in the 
  rear A/C area, with a professional dry-sump system and enormous oil lines, and 
  even that was marginal according to his figures. Good luck next time out- J 
  Deryke


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