[DeTomaso] Where is she now?

Thu Dec 3 14:18:21 EST 2009

Thomas,

Kerry's right, it used to be impossible to import e.g. a hot rodded Model A with a V8 and get it through the registration inspection. Importing a stock Model A and later have it registered with the V8 was fine. Importing modern "easy" cars from EU countries has also been a problem if the cars have been modified with big wheels, lowering kits etc. Big no-no at the first registration inspection regardless of approvals from the exporting country. I think I read something recently about some loosening up of the "anti-hot rod clause" but I didn't pay close attention so I'm not sure if it was an actual proposal, already in use or simply someones wishes.

Tomas

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
To: "Kerry Maguire" <kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2009 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is she now?

> Kerry Maguire skrev:
>> Another factor is originality, the likes of Norway and Sweden I understand are extremely strict on what can pass their DOT inspection for import and registration, basically zero mods, completely original.
> 
> I don't know about Norway, but in Sweden it used to be that you should 
> stay away from certain model years (1976 - ?). The problem was stricter 
> emission laws and perhaps also safety.
> 
> These laws apply to year models, not the time at which the car was/is 
> imported, so there are almost no emission rules, except for CO that must 
> be below 4.5%, on cars older than 1976.
> 
> There is no "originality" requirement, it is just that it has to be safe.
> 
> Cars that are registered in any EU country can be imported to Sweden 
> without much trouble.
> 
> I have a Swedish colleague that spent a college year in the US, and he 
> was given a 1980:s Lincoln Continental, which had never been offered in 
> Sweden. In order to import it to Sweden it had to pass very rigorous 
> approval tests, including more or less destructive brake tests. He 
> worked around the issue by shipping the car to the UK, where he "sold" 
> the car to a British friend before the car left the docks, and the 
> friend imported it to the UK. As the car was now approved in a EU 
> country, he could buy it back and import it to Sweden. This would have 
> been almost impossible before we joined the EU.
> 
> If you are moving to Sweden, and have owned a car for more than one year 
> in another country, you can bring the car as "goods", and then all by 
> the most basic safety laws are waived. This is the way to import 
> specialty vehicles that would otherwise be very hard to get approved.
> 
> I believe you will have to keep the car for about a year, after which 
> you are free to sell it to anyone.
> 
> My 1984 GT5 came from Saudi Arabia, and the previous (Swedish) owner 
> bought the car in Saudi and had it there for a few years while he was 
> working there. When he imported the car it only had to adhere to the old 
> 4.5% CO emission laws. These cars may even have red tail lights, which 
> have been forbidden since the 1970:s.
> 
> The special weight based tax we used to have on import cars is long 
> gone, and it is now fairly easy to import cars to Sweden. Ask Kjell 
> Jansson, who was the first to import a Pantera II (Si) and also a Guara 
> to Sweden. There are several Pantera II:s and Guaras in Sweden now, 
> thanks to the work done by him. He's even got one of the P-II:s he's 
> imported approved without cat converters. :-)
> 
> Cheers,
> Thomas
> 
>> 
>> That explanation from Julian makes the most sense.
>>  
>> Regards,
>>  
>> Kerry M. Maguire #5606
>>  
>>  
>> I think you would be very surprised if someone documented how many Pantera's (and other classics) have left US soil in recent years. I'm sure that has slowed more recently with the global economy downturn.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Another factor to consider in cars advertised at higher prices overseas is the duty that many country's impose on such vehicles for them to enter. In some of the European Countries that can easily double the cost of the car. 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Another factor is originality, the likes of Norway and Sweden I understand are extremely strict on what can pass their DOT inspection for imprt and registration, basically zero mods, completely original.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Julian
>>  
>>> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 13:19:01 -0700
>>> From: kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
>>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Where is she now?
>>>
>>> The explanations are all very well and good but why is this car trying to bring so much money in Germany? There are plenty of nice cars on eBay not bringing decent bids. 
>>>
>>> Why aren't those being bought up and shipped to Europe?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Kerry M. Maguire #5606
>>>
>>>
>>> I suspect that Boyd's observation is correct. A $35000 car is laughably cheap in Euros and is well below market value. A $73000 car is 48.000 euros, which isn't out of the market for a well sorted out car. 
>>>
>>> A lot of Europeans are nervous about buying a car on the other side of the ocean and don't know the costs or process. They may not speak the language, or may think it is prohibitively expensive to import. Before the economy took a dump I was half seriously thinking of buying late-model Corvettes in the US and importing them to Europe. 
>>>
>>> Think about it if the Euro-dollar situation was reversed. A EUR35000 car would be $20.000, and a steal for Americans. Transportation would only account for $1000, and a solid Pantera would still be worth roughly $35000 USD. But how many Americans would be willing to go shopping in Austria in German, or in Denmark, or whatever to buy a $20.000 Pantera? Those willing to do so could find some steals. 
>>>
>>> So you buy a EUR35.000 euro car for $20.000 and put it up for sale for $35.000, which is local market value. The Europeans comment on how their EUR35000 car is now for sale for EUR55.000. That's kind of what is happening here, or at least to an extent. 
>>>
>>> Charles McCall
>>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> ] En nombre de boyd casey
>>> Enviado el: miércoles, 02 de diciembre de 2009 6:04
>>> Para: Kerry Maguire
>>> CC: detomaso at realbig.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> 
>>> Asunto: Re: [DeTomaso] Where is she now?
>>>
>>> One difference might be the Euro is at an all time high compared to the
>>> dollar. Just like we think of things ia their price relative to dollars they
>>> think in terms of the local currency. It dosen't explain a price more then
>>> doubling. The Euro has gone from less then 1 to a dollar to 1.52 euros for 1
>>> dollar. PI motor sports told me that they were haing their inventory of
>>> parts being bought up by Germans? Who Knows?
>>> Boyd
>>>
>>> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 10:30 PM, Kerry Maguire <
>>> kmaguire at landrovermiramar.com <http://list.realbig.com/mailman/listinfo/detomaso> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> What intrigues me is why the Germans fell in love with the car and why they
>>>> think it is worth so much money.
>>>>
>>>> It was obviously priced right to sell, but why do they want so much for it?
>>>>
>>>> What I see is basically an unmolested car with some modern and necessary
>>>> updates.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe that is what sells nowadays?
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Kerry M. Maguire #5606
>>>> Since I have been asked several times to help with the answer for what has
>>>> changed:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> She went from So Cal to Germany...
>>>> And the price changed "slightly" from $34K to around $73K.
>>>> Otherwise I see no major differences!
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Ah Location, Location, Location.
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