[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
Thomas Tornblom
Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
Tue Dec 1 10:40:14 EST 2009
Ken Green skrev:
> Thomas,
>
> I'd also keep Chris Difani's observation in mind that the water pump
> is just one element of the cooling system. The plumbing, radiator, and
> air flow management should not be ignored.
Agreed.
I have fairly new stainless underbody pipes, a Fluidyne aluminum
radiator, and a monster fan from an Audi turbo. Currently I'm using an
Edelbrock waterpump and Robertshaw thermostat.
>
> Ken
Cheers,
Thomas
>
> --- On *Mon, 11/30/09, Thomas Tornblom /<Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>/* wrote:
>
>
> From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> To: "KJETIL FINNE" <kjetfinn at online.no>
> Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 10:48 PM
>
> Thanks Kjetil!
>
> It seem that the 55gpm unit will be a good choice.
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
>
> KJETIL FINNE skrev:
> > The Davies Craig EWP 80 is only listed for engines upto 3 litres
> on the Davies Craig website.
> > The EWP 110 is the one listed for V8's. I have been using a EWP
> 110 in conjuction with the mecahnical pump before I switched to the
> Meziere 55gallon pump.
> > My engine was dynoed at 500HP before switching to ball bearing
> turbo's. Now it s probably closer to 700hp. No problem with cooling
> anymore.
> >
> > Kjetil
> >
> >> From: Thomas Tornblom [Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>]
> >> Sent: 2009-11-30 22:41:36 CET
> >> To: De Tomaso List [detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>]
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> >>
> >> Kirby Schrader skrev:
> >>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
> >> I just received information about Stefans pump, which were not
> up to the
> >> task on autobahn, and it is this one:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Electric_Water_Pumps-EWP80__12V__ELECTRIC_WATER_PUMP___PART_No__8005-details.aspx
> >>
> >> About 20 gpm.
> >>
> >> He said it worked fine at idle, and in town, but at high speed
> for long
> >> time it wasn't sufficient.
> >>
> >> He also had the old mechanical pump still in place, so it was
> easy to
> >> just put the belt back on.
> >>
> >> So the 55 gpm Meziere is probably OK for a street driven Pantera.
> >>
> >> Thomas
> >>
> >>>
> >>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
> >>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere
> AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
> >>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others
> that had
> >>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump
> they were using.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tomas
> >>>> Thomas
> >>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>>
> >>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
> >>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com
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> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
> >>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and
> what went wrong.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer
> electric pumps on
> >>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water
> pump failing
> >>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
> >>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the
> autobahn, and I
> >>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received
> private mails
> >>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems.
> Working fine
> >>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an
> electric
> >>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that
> >>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b)
> set up with
> >>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the
> road if
> >>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side
> of the road?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
> >>>>>>>
> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julian
> >>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
> >>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davel@emspace.com>
> >>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>
> >>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julian_kift@hotmail.com>;
> rkmosier at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rkmosier@aol.com>;
> fnoonan at gmail.com
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> >>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com
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> kenn_green at yahoo.com
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> sobill at aol.com
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> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
> >>>>>>> dave
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thomas,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of
> that. I received
> >>>>>>> some private comments to this effect when there was talk
> about this a
> >>>>>>> few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump
> without problems
> >>>>>>> in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany
> and had to go back
> >>>>>>> to the mechanical pump.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Julian
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
> >>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@Hax.SE>
> <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@Hax.SE>>
> >>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
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> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>
> >>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>
> <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>>;
> SOBill at aol.com
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> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
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> fnoonan at gmail.com
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> >>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com
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> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly
> shorten a pump
> >>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over
> email and I
> >>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Thomas
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green
> <kenn_green at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>
> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for
> a flatter
> >>>>>>>>> fire wall.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Ken
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
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> <SOBill at aol.com
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> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
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> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
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> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
> >>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>
> <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>,
> detomaso at realbig.com
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> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>,
> RKMosier at aol.com
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> <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
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> >>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
> >>>>>>>>>
> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York
> mounting bracket.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
> >>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>
> <mailto:sobill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific
> Standard Time,
> >>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>
> <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>
> writes:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello,
> >>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or
> knows
> >>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
> >>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
> >>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
> >>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
> >>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by
> Pantera East,
> >>>>>>>>> also sold
> >>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
> >>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSakulen@aol.com>
> <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSakulen@aol.com>>
> >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
> >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
> >>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>
> <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>>,
> _detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=_detomaso@realbig.com>_
> >>>>>>> (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
> <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
> >>>>>>>>> )
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in
> Colorado. The
> >>>>>>>>> Compressor
> >>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
> >>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It?s made
> by ZEXEL
> >>>>>>>>> in
> >>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
> >>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering.
> I.C.E. P/N
> >>>>>>> 2521152
> >>>>>>>>> .
> >>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
> >>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove
> on the
> >>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don?t
> >>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
> >>>>>>>>> Nick
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>
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