[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket

Thomas Tornblom Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
Tue Dec 1 10:40:14 EST 2009


Ken Green skrev:
> Thomas,
>  
>     I'd also keep Chris Difani's observation in mind that the water pump 
> is just one element of the cooling system.  The plumbing, radiator, and 
> air flow management should not be ignored.

Agreed.

I have fairly new stainless underbody pipes, a Fluidyne aluminum 
radiator, and a monster fan from an Audi turbo. Currently I'm using an 
Edelbrock waterpump and Robertshaw thermostat.


>  
> Ken

Cheers,
Thomas

> 
> --- On *Mon, 11/30/09, Thomas Tornblom /<Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>/* wrote:
> 
> 
>     From: Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
>     Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>     To: "KJETIL FINNE" <kjetfinn at online.no>
>     Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
>     Date: Monday, November 30, 2009, 10:48 PM
> 
>     Thanks Kjetil!
> 
>     It seem that the 55gpm unit will be a good choice.
> 
>     Cheers,
>     Thomas
> 
>     KJETIL FINNE skrev:
>      > The Davies Craig EWP 80 is only listed for engines upto 3 litres
>     on the Davies Craig website.
>      > The EWP 110 is the one listed for V8's. I have been using a EWP
>     110 in conjuction with the mecahnical pump before I switched to the
>     Meziere 55gallon pump.
>      > My engine was dynoed at 500HP before switching to ball bearing
>     turbo's. Now it s probably closer to 700hp. No problem with cooling
>     anymore.
>      >
>      > Kjetil
>      >
>      >> From: Thomas Tornblom [Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>]
>      >> Sent: 2009-11-30 22:41:36 CET
>      >> To: De Tomaso List [detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>]
>      >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>      >>
>      >> Kirby Schrader skrev:
>      >>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
>      >> I just received information about Stefans pump, which were not
>     up to the
>      >> task on autobahn, and it is this one:
>      >>
>      >>
>     http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Electric_Water_Pumps-EWP80__12V__ELECTRIC_WATER_PUMP___PART_No__8005-details.aspx
>      >>
>      >> About 20 gpm.
>      >>
>      >> He said it worked fine at idle, and in town, but at high speed
>     for long
>      >> time it wasn't sufficient.
>      >>
>      >> He also had the old mechanical pump still in place, so it was
>     easy to
>      >> just put the belt back on.
>      >>
>      >> So the 55 gpm Meziere is probably OK for a street driven Pantera.
>      >>
>      >> Thomas
>      >>
>      >>>
>      >>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>      >>>
>      >>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>      >>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere
>     AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
>      >>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others
>     that had
>      >>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump
>     they were using.
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> Tomas
>      >>>> Thomas
>      >>>>
>      >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>      >>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>>
>      >>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julian_kift@hotmail.com>>
>      >>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rkmosier@aol.com>>;
>     <fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>;
>     "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>;
>     <kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>;
>     <sobill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>>;
>     <thomas.tornblom at hax.se
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=thomas.tornblom@hax.se>>
>      >>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
>      >>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>
>      >>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>      >>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and
>     what went wrong.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer
>     electric pumps on
>      >>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water
>     pump failing
>      >>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
>      >>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the
>     autobahn, and I
>      >>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received
>     private mails
>      >>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems.
>     Working fine
>      >>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an
>     electric
>      >>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that
>      >>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b)
>     set up with
>      >>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the
>     road if
>      >>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side
>     of the road?
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
>      >>>>>>>
>     http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Julian
>      >>>>>> Thomas
>      >>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>     ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>      >>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
>      >>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=davel@emspace.com>
>      >>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@hax.se>
>      >>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=julian_kift@hotmail.com>;
>     rkmosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=rkmosier@aol.com>;
>     fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>;
>      >>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>;
>     kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>;
>     sobill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>
>      >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
>      >>>>>>> dave
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>    Julian Kift skrev:
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>        Thomas,
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>        Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>    I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of
>     that. I received
>      >>>>>>>    some private comments to this effect when there was talk
>     about this a
>      >>>>>>>    few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump
>     without problems
>      >>>>>>>    in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany
>     and had to go back
>      >>>>>>>    to the mechanical pump.
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>        Julian
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>    Thomas
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
>      >>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@Hax.SE>
>     <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=Thomas.Tornblom@Hax.SE>>
>      >>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>
>     <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>
>      >>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>
>     <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>>;
>     SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>;
>     fnoonan at gmail.com
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>     <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>;
>      >>>>>>>        detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
>      >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly
>     shorten a pump
>      >>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over
>     email and I
>      >>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> Cheers,
>      >>>>>>>> Thomas
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green
>     <kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>
>     <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=kenn_green@yahoo.com>>:
>      >>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for
>     a flatter
>      >>>>>>>>> fire wall.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Ken
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>     <SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>> wrote:
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>     <SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>      >>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>,
>     detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>,
>     RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>
>     <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>     _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
>      >>>>>>>>>
>     (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York
>     mounting bracket.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
>      >>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>
>     <mailto:sobill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=sobill@aol.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific
>     Standard Time,
>      >>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>
>     <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=fnoonan@gmail.com>>
>     writes:
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Hello,
>      >>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or
>     knows
>      >>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
>      >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
>      >>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
>      >>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>
>     <mailto:SOBill at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=SOBill@aol.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
>      >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
>      >>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>     <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
>      >>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by
>     Pantera East,
>      >>>>>>>>> also sold
>      >>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
>      >>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSakulen@aol.com>
>     <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=NSakulen@aol.com>>
>      >>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
>      >>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
>      >>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>
>     <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=RKMosier@aol.com>>,
>     _detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=_detomaso@realbig.com>_
>      >>>>>>>        (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>     <http://us.mc308.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=detomaso@realbig.com>
>      >>>>>>>>> )
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in
>     Colorado. The
>      >>>>>>>>> Compressor
>      >>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
>      >>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It?s made
>     by ZEXEL
>      >>>>>>>>> in
>      >>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
>      >>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering.
>     I.C.E. P/N
>      >>>>>>>        2521152
>      >>>>>>>>> .
>      >>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
>      >>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove
>     on the
>      >>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don?t
>      >>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
>      >>>>>>>>> Nick
>      >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>      >>>>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
>      >>>>>>>
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