[DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket

Thomas Tornblom Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
Tue Dec 1 01:48:10 EST 2009


Thanks Kjetil!

It seem that the 55gpm unit will be a good choice.

Cheers,
Thomas

KJETIL FINNE skrev:
> The Davies Craig EWP 80 is only listed for engines upto 3 litres on the Davies Craig website.
> The EWP 110 is the one listed for V8's. I have been using a EWP 110 in conjuction with the mecahnical pump before I switched to the Meziere 55gallon pump.
> My engine was dynoed at 500HP before switching to ball bearing turbo's. Now it s probably closer to 700hp. No problem with cooling anymore.
> 
> Kjetil
> 
>> From: Thomas Tornblom [Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se]
>> Sent: 2009-11-30 22:41:36 CET
>> To: De Tomaso List [detomaso at realbig.com]
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>
>> Kirby Schrader skrev:
>>> My 55gpm remote Meziere is working very well, so far.
>> I just received information about Stefans pump, which were not up to the 
>> task on autobahn, and it is this one:
>>
>> http://www.daviescraig.com.au/Electric_Water_Pumps-EWP80__12V__ELECTRIC_WATER_PUMP___PART_No__8005-details.aspx
>>
>> About 20 gpm.
>>
>> He said it worked fine at idle, and in town, but at high speed for long 
>> time it wasn't sufficient.
>>
>> He also had the old mechanical pump still in place, so it was easy to 
>> just put the belt back on.
>>
>> So the 55 gpm Meziere is probably OK for a street driven Pantera.
>>
>> Thomas
>>
>>>
>>> On 28 Nov 2009, at 7:33 AM, Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tomas Gunnarsson skrev:
>>>>> If you're talking about Stefan J's pump it was a Meziere AFAIK. I don't know what the rated capacity was.
>>>> Yes, it was Stefan, but I also received comments from others that had 
>>>> seen cars having cooling problems due to the electric pump they were using.
>>>>
>>>>> Tomas
>>>> Thomas
>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>>>> From: "Thomas Tornblom" <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>> To: "Julian Kift" <julian_kift at hotmail.com>
>>>>> Cc: <rkmosier at aol.com>; <fnoonan at gmail.com>; "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>; <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <sobill at aol.com>; <thomas.tornblom at hax.se>
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, November 28, 2009 12:55 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>> Yes, it would be good to know/document what brand pump and what went wrong.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know people will argue that that there are far fewer electric pumps on 
>>>>>>> Pantera's out there, but I heard of many a mechanical water pump failing 
>>>>>>> and that's the first electric.
>>>>>> It didn´t fail, it just wasn´t up to the task on the autobahn, and I 
>>>>>> don´t know what brand/model it was.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I also have no idea about the other failures I received private mails 
>>>>>> for, but that too appears to have been capacity problems. Working fine 
>>>>>> in daily traffic, but insufficient at high speed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There's a parallel discussion on the PI forum regarding an electric 
>>>>>>> water pump and flat firewall. The remote electric pump in that 
>>>>>>> application was a) installed in 2000 and still going and b) set up with 
>>>>>>> shut off valves and could be changed out on the side of the road if 
>>>>>>> necessary. Would you change a mechanical pump at the side of the road?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Discussion can be found here;
>>>>>>> http://pantera.infopop.cc/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/5650045562/m/511108853/p/1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Julian
>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 14:43:46 -0800
>>>>>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>>>>>>> To: Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se
>>>>>>> CC: julian_kift at hotmail.com; rkmosier at aol.com; fnoonan at gmail.com; 
>>>>>>> detomaso at realbig.com; kenn_green at yahoo.com; sobill at aol.com
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Do you happen to know the make & model that failed Thomas?
>>>>>>> dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thomas Tornblom wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Julian Kift skrev:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Thomas,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Why not just install a remote electric water pump?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    I´m not convinced about the reliability and capacity of that. I received 
>>>>>>>    some private comments to this effect when there was talk about this a 
>>>>>>>    few weeks ago. A Swedish Pantera using an electric pump without problems 
>>>>>>>    in Sweden ran into problems on a trip through Germany and had to go back 
>>>>>>>    to the mechanical pump.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        Julian
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    Thomas
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Date: Fri, 27 Nov 2009 22:30:20 +0100
>>>>>>>> From: Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE <mailto:Thomas.Tornblom at Hax.SE>
>>>>>>>> To: kenn_green at yahoo.com <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>>>>>>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>; SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>; fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>; 
>>>>>>>        detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Does anyone know where one can get shorter waterpump bearings?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been thinking about the possibility to drasticly shorten a pump
>>>>>>>> so that one can eliminate the hump.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I tried mailing Edelbrock, but they don't do support over email and I
>>>>>>>> haven't mustered the energy to call them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Thomas
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 27 nov 2009 kl. 22.01 skrev Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com> <mailto:kenn_green at yahoo.com>:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think IPS also sells a mount to move the alternator for a flatter
>>>>>>>>> fire wall.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20alt%20bracket.htm
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ken
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --- On Fri, 11/27/09, SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com> <SOBill at aol.com> <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera A/C compressor bracket
>>>>>>>>> To: fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com>, detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>, RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Friday, November 27, 2009, 12:35 PM
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Is this what you're looking for?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm_
>>>>>>>>> (http://www.ipsco.org/Pantera%20Parts/ac%20mount%20bracket.htm)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I believe it adapts the rotary pump to the OEM York mounting bracket.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> SOBill Taylor
>>>>>>>>> sobill at aol.com <mailto:sobill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 10:15:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
>>>>>>>>> fnoonan at gmail.com <mailto:fnoonan at gmail.com> writes:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>> I was wondering if anybody has photos of this bracket, or knows
>>>>>>>>> where I could info on it?
>>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Air Conditioning & Heating
>>>>>>>>> Rotary Compressor Upgrade
>>>>>>>>> Sanden Rotary Compressor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: SOBill at aol.com <mailto:SOBill at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 19:57:36 EDT
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Sanden A/Cs
>>>>>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com <mailto:detomaso at realbig.com>
>>>>>>>>> From the Pantera Database:
>>>>>>>>> Sanden SD-508 R-12 Rotary AC Compressor is sold by Pantera East,
>>>>>>>>> also sold
>>>>>>>>> is a machined aluminum
>>>>>>>>> adapter bracket to replace a York.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ____________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> From: NSakulen at aol.com <mailto:NSakulen at aol.com>
>>>>>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 May 2003 22:15:30 EDT
>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] a/c
>>>>>>>>> To: RKMosier at aol.com <mailto:RKMosier at aol.com>, _detomaso at realbig.com_ 
>>>>>>>        (mailto:detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>>>>>> )
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The bracket is from Pantera Performance Center in Colorado. The
>>>>>>>>> Compressor
>>>>>>>>> is a Sanden 508 type. I
>>>>>>>>> got one recommended by an A/C shop I deal with. It?s made by ZEXEL
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> Japan P/N 500630-7830.
>>>>>>>>> Distributed by International Components Engineering. I.C.E. P/N 
>>>>>>>        2521152
>>>>>>>>> .
>>>>>>>>> The alternator mounts to the
>>>>>>>>> right of the compressor and drives off the inside groove on the
>>>>>>>>> compressor. I have some pictures. I don?t
>>>>>>>>> have a web site, but I can send them if you email me.
>>>>>>>>> Nick
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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