[DeTomaso] A new engine in my future?

Kirby Schrader kirby.schrader at gmail.com
Fri Aug 28 22:14:24 EDT 2009


I'd like to say I'm proud of Chuck.

We had a conversation many years ago about engines. I told him he  
should learn to build his own.
And here he is... 485HP.

:-)

Chuck, you're the man!

Kirby


On 28 Aug 2009, at 6:41 AM, Larry - Ohio Time Corp wrote:

> 485HP Chuck!
>
> Dam to bad you fall into the "out of state" class, as you would be  
> the go to
> man on my motor!
>
> Larry - Cleveland
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com 
> ] On
> Behalf Of Charles Engles
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 10:40 PM
> To: Tim Morgan
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] A new engine in my future?
>
> Dear Tim,
>
>           In my opinion.........
>
>            I am not that impressed.   I am making 485 hp and 436 ft- 
> lbs
> with *iron* heads, pump gas and a regular hydraulic lifter cam.
>
>            You live in Seattle.   There must be some reputable engine
> builders with Ford Cleveland experience in a metroplex like  
> Seattle.   Check
>
> with the POCA Chapter members.   Check with the local Shelby club.    
> Check
> with the local circle track or dirt track racers for their recommended
> engine builder.   I think that you would be better off to have your  
> engine
> built locally by a real engine builder that you can talk to and  
> return to if
>
> there are any problems.  Also you should get it dynoed and broken-in  
> on the
> engine builder's dyno----then drop it in your Pantera.   I think  
> you'll be
> far better off with the local approach than with an out-of-state  
> engine
> builder.    Don't ask me how I know about using out-of-state engine
> builders.
>
>
>                  Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tim Morgan" <morganuci at gmail.com>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 8:00 PM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] A new engine in my future?
>
>
>> My 73's existing engine is somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 HP.
>> Recently, it was making a strange noise, and the oil smells of  
>> gasoline
>> and
>> there are a lot of metal filings on the oil drain plug.  Assuming  
>> it's
>> toast, that leaves me with a few choices:
>>
>>  1. Rebuild my existing engine
>>  2. Buy a new block, transfer everything else (heads etc.) from my  
>> old
>>  engine
>>  3. Buy a crate motor
>>
>> I'm leaning towards #3 because it seems like the fastest and easiest
>> choice.  I also want to end up with a better, more powerful motor  
>> than I
>> had, as long as I'm doing this, and buying a crate motor gets me a  
>> bunch
>> of
>> new, hi performance parts all in one package.  Then the question is,
>> Windsor, Cleveland, or something else?  I'd like to stick with  
>> Cleveland
>> for
>> a number of reasons, including being able to reuse a lot of what I  
>> already
>> have, such as my fuel injection system.  But of course, Clevelands  
>> are
>> much
>> less plentiful than Windsors.
>>
>> So, I was looking at this particular engine:
>> http://www.tuffdawgengines.com/ford_351C_445hp.htm.  It goes for  
>> $5195 as
>> described.  He will install my intake manifold (sorry, I don't know  
>> what
>> model it is, but it has the fuel injectors installed in it) in  
>> place of
>> his
>> normal manifold.  His price includes testing, balancing, shipping,  
>> etc.,
>> as
>> in the description, but not breaking it in or dyno testing it.
>>
>> Is there an alternative that I should look at?  He has 100% positive
>> feedback on eBay (on 19 transactions in the last 12 months), but does
>> anyone
>> have experience with Tuff Dawg engines, good or bad (you can write  
>> to me
>> individually rather than post if you prefer)?  I'm in the greater  
>> Seattle
>> (Issaquah) area.
>>
>> Also, what cam or cam specs would be good for a fuel injected  
>> Cleveland
>> for
>> street use?  He thought that the optimum would be different than  
>> with a
>> carb.
>>
>> Tim
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