[DeTomaso] Fw: Pandora: It's deja vu all over again...

[wkooiman at earthlink.net]

Well, you can be a genius in certain areas, and a non-genius in other areas.

My wife is quick to point out that a certain part of my anatomy is unusually smart.

Chuck - I removed my 10qt pan with a normal engine brace without removing the engine.  I removed the water pipes, plus I raised the engine about 3-4 inches, but I got it out.  I now have a removable brace.  Even with the removable brace, I can see how it would be difficult to remove the pan.  I think the key would be to a) remove the pipes, and b) use the correct cuss words.

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>From: Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com>
>Sent: Aug 26, 2009 10:31 PM
>To: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>, detomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw:  Pandora:  It's deja vu all over again...
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>This confirms you are not the genius Lyle Kelsey thinks you are! <grin>
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>Mad Dawg Antenucci 
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>From: Charles Engles <cengles at cox.net>
>To: detomaso at realbig.com
>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:20:51 PM
>Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw:  Pandora:  It's deja vu all over again...
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>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Charles Engles" <cengles at cox.net>
>To: "Paul - Home" <thedrol at pobox.com>
>Cc: <detomasoregistry at gmail.com>
>Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 6:29 PM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pandora: It's deja vu all over again...
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>> Dear Paul and Chris,
>>
>>             You wrote:
>>
>>
>> "If you have a 10-quart oil pan it isn't likely that you will be able to
>> drop the pan once you change the cross member to a removable one.  I
>> found that there just isn't space between the frame rails, shift linkage
>> and hoses to get the 10 quart pan out unless you've modified the windage
>> tray appropriately.  It may be possible if you remove more stuff.  Its
>> been too long since I installed my 10 quart pan while the engine was in
>> the car to remember what interferes with it."
>>
>> $$$$$$$    I did this during a chapter of engine building misadventure. 
>> Unfortunately, I can't recall exactly what the misadventure was, but I do 
>> recall dealing with this problem.   The hangup after removal of the cross 
>> brace and oil pan bolts was the shift linkage.   I was stumped and a real 
>> mechanic showed me the trick of loosening the nut on the trunion support 
>> to permit the linkage to move ever so slightly out of the way in order to 
>> get the pan off.   I also recall that we had to modifiy the windage tray 
>> to permit re-installation.
>>
>>                  The next misadventure was a leaking rear main seal.   I 
>> remembered the unpleasantness of the above mentioned operation and took a 
>> stiff triple shot of scotch and water and pulled the darn engine and 
>> proceeded to replace the rear main seal---voila no more leak.    In my 
>> opinion, the engine out and in was a slightly lesser PITA than the very 
>> messy in-car job from below........
>>
>>                  I would agree with Larry and resign yourself to live with 
>> it for now and await the fullness of time for definite action.
>>
>>
>>                                    Warmest regards,  Chuck "Engine 
>> Misadventures" Engles
>>
>> " 
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