[DeTomaso] Fw: revised engine plan

Fri Aug 14 17:52:41 EDT 2009

>I think Roush may dyno their engines and provide the sheet?  But I don't 
>think they sell a Cleveland?
>
> Art
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "boyd casey" <boyd411 at gmail.com>
> To: "Charles McCall" <charlesmccall at gmail.com>
> Cc: "De Tomaso List" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 1:50 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] revised engine plan
>
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>> That's why I have changed my mind about modifying my Cleveland and 
>> getting
>> uncertain results and instead looking at some one with an engine that is 
>> a
>> proven design and gives you am actual dyno of your new engine run hot not 
>> a
>> dyno of an engine built to the same design but the actual engine you are
>> buying.
>> Boyd
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Charles McCall 
>> <charlesmccall at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Boyd -
>>> If you want to build a killer motor, you have two choices.
>>>
>>> a) Do all the research yourself - determine which parts you think will 
>>> work
>>> well together, ask opinions, and basically experiment with your own 
>>> engine.
>>> b) Buy a package that someone else has done the experimention with 
>>> already.
>>>
>>> As someone who has no practical experience whatsoever with superchargers 
>>> in
>>> a Pantera, I can only observe that many have blown their Clevelands, but
>>> few
>>> people have kept them for years and years.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, there are a lot of strokers out there running around.
>>>
>>> I can only assume that there's a reason.
>>>
>>> Unless I knew firsthand of a reliable mechanic to build me a custom
>>> stroker,
>>> I'd probably lok for a reliable shop and buy a crate motor. You know all
>>> the
>>> parts will work well together, and having a 2 year warranty would give 
>>> me a
>>> lot of peace of mind.
>>>
>>> Charles McCall
>>> 1985 DeTomaso Pantera GT5-S #9375
>>> "Raising Pantera Awareness Across Europe"
>>> http://www.poca.com/index.php/gallery/?g2_itemId=2323
>>>
>>> -----Mensaje original-----
>>> De: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] 
>>> En
>>> nombre de boyd casey
>>> Enviado el: viernes, 14 de agosto de 2009 16:11
>>> Para: De Tomaso List
>>> Asunto: [DeTomaso] revised engine plan
>>>
>>> I looked at whipples web site and they didn't seem to have a product for 
>>> a
>>> cleveland or a windsor. It seemed like all their super chargers were for
>>> late model fords and the hot rod models seemed to all be for chevy's It
>>> seem
>>> like there are allot more SC's for cheys. Or am I looking in the wrong
>>> places? I have been thinking about it and I think I am going at my 
>>> engine
>>> upgrade ass backwards. When I started to put a pencil to it  I realized 
>>> I
>>> coulsd spend $8000 on just an efi and then not have the right heads. If 
>>> I
>>> go
>>> with new oistons heads a new cam I would be better off statring from
>>> scratch. If I am going to build a forced induction engine I need lower
>>> compression pistons. Check out this engine package:
>>>
>>> The quick revving 427 Cobra Special is a maximum effort performance 
>>> engine
>>> that’s not for the faint of heart. Because it’s based on a 351 Windsor 
>>> race
>>> block, it is approximately 140 pounds lighter than the older big blocks.
>>> >From the block to the crank, to the rods, to the induction system, the 
>>> >427
>>> Cobra Special is built to be an all-conquering powerhouse, yet is still 
>>> a
>>> street engine that runs on 91-octane pump gas. With its lumpy hydraulic
>>> roller cam, the exhaust note is one that says “don’t mess with me“, and 
>>> has
>>> the power to back it up. Take a look at all the premium features of this
>>> engine and you’ll see this is a real world performance engine that has 
>>> all
>>> the power your kit car or muscle car could want. And don’t forget to 
>>> take a
>>> look at the options list to personalize your 427 Cobra Special. We have
>>> everything from dual-quads to Electronic Fuel Injection, to our bright 
>>> and
>>> shiny polish package.
>>> • Individually dyno tested & calibrated with printout
>>> • Very strong exhaust tone
>>> • Requires 2,500+ stall converter
>>> • Minimum vacuum for power brakes
>>> • Accepts mechanical fuel pump
>>> • Requires 91 Octane fuel
>>> • 2 year limited warranty, unlimited mileage
>>>
>>>
>>> Smeding 427 Cobra Special Features
>>> Block: Dart Splayed Cab Four Bolt Mains, C.N.C Machined, 4.125 Bore,
>>> Scalloped Water Jackets, One Piece Rear Main Seal
>>> Crankshaft: 4340 Steel, Non-Twist Forging, Micro Polished, and 
>>> Chamfered,
>>> Internal Balance, 4.000” Stroke
>>> Rods: 4340 Steel "H" Beam with 7/16" ARP Cap Bolts, 6.200" Length
>>> Pistons: LightWeight Forged, Reverse Dome, 10.2 Compression, with Wrist 
>>> Pin
>>> Below Oil Ring
>>> Rings: Low Friction Single Moly 1/16” x 1/16” x 3/16”
>>> Camshaft: Custom Ground Hydraulic Roller .544”/.573” lift 238°/248°
>>> Duration
>>> @.050”
>>> Rocker Arms: 1.6 Ratio, Full Roller To Reduce Friction
>>> Intake: Edelbrock Victor Jr.
>>> Cylinder Heads: Smeding / AFR, 205cc Intake port, Fully C.N.C Ported,
>>> 2.08"/1.60" Valves
>>> Carburetor: Quick Fuel 750, Dual Feed, Double Pumper,Calibrated and 
>>> Tuned
>>> on
>>> our Dyno.
>>> Distributor: Hall Effect Electronic, Polished Billet Aluminum Housing
>>>
>>> http://www.smedingperformance.com/ford/427+Cobra+Special+560+Horsepower.html
>>>
>>>
>>> This company has good ratings and customer feed back. In Fact Factory 
>>> five
>>> uses them for some of their engines for their kit cars'
>>>
>>> This 427 is built on a brand new custom windsor block that has more neat 
>>> so
>>> it can be bored and stroked to a 427 and still maintain the size off the
>>> windsor and  140 lbs less then a big block. They will also build your
>>> engine
>>> with a super charger if you want (and use the correct pistons) they also
>>> offer an edelbrock EFI , a weber set up ot dual quads. Basically what 
>>> ever
>>> you want. It is all blue printed and balanced and they doe a hot run in 
>>> and
>>> you get a dyno sheet from your actual engine. They are designed to give
>>> high
>>> torque and HP across the spectrum and run omn pump gas. This one puts 
>>> out
>>> 560 HP
>>> 560 Horsepower
>>> 560 Ft. Lbs of Torque
>>> $9,995 As shown including
>>> dyno testing and tuning
>>>
>>> So fo $10,000 I could have a 560 hp tested engine with a 2 year 
>>> unlimited
>>> mileage warranty! Plus I can modify it to any particulars I want and 
>>> have
>>> it
>>> built so that everythingis matched up ( as opposed to attempting to add
>>> things like a super charger or efi that is not really matched to the
>>> engine)
>>>
>>> Boyd
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