[DeTomaso] Fwd: RE: Drilled Bolts

Tomas Gunnarsson guson at home.se
Wed Aug 12 14:56:34 EDT 2009


Are the bend/tab locks starting to look attractive again? :-)

Tomas
----- Original Message ----- 
From: <asajay at asajay.com>
To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2009 8:51 PM
Subject: [DeTomaso] Fwd: RE: Drilled Bolts


> Hi all,
> 
> I got information back from ARP regarding the two bolts they could  
> fabricate for the brake calipers.  Here is the info.  Bottom line,  
> nearly $20 a bolt at the minimum quantity I spec'd.
> 
> There would need to be 25 people interested at that price in order to  
> make a purchase at that price.  Else it's buy the bolts from somoene  
> like McMaster Carr and drill them yourself.
> 
> Asa Jay
> 
> 
> 
> Asa,
> 
> Hello. Below is pricing for the two bolts that you are looking for.
> Please note of the head dimensions listed as well.
> 
> *6AU1.375-1D (9/16" wrenching 12 pt head, with .518 height and .825"
> flange     OD, cross drilled for a .050" hole. 1.375"
> uhl, fully threaded   with 12x1.25 thread, 8740 material)
> 
>   Cost for 100: $18.12 ea
>      200: $11.13 ea
>      500: $6.35  ea
> 
> 
> *5AM1.375-1D (1/2" wrenching 12 pt head, with .435 height and .745"
> flange   OD, cross drilled for a .050" hole. 1.375" uhl, fully
> threaded
>   with 10x1.25 thread, 8740 material)
> 
> 
>   Cost for 100: $16.77 ea
>      200: $10.25 ea
>      500: $5.74  ea
> 
> Lead time for both bolts: 8-10 weeks
> 
> 
> 
> Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you would like to go
> ahead with this order. Thanks.
> 
> 
> Best Regards,
> 
> Justin Phillips
> Specialty Products Coordinator
> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
> Tel: 805-525-1497
> Fax:805-525-1441
> justinp at arpfasteners.com
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:03 AM
> To: Justin Phillips
> Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
> 
> Stainless is not a requirement.  Thank you for asking.
> 
> 
> :)
> Asa Jay
> 
> 
> Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
> 
>> Asa,
>>
>> I should also mention that the material would be 8740 chrome moly,
> with
>> a 190 ksi strength. Is stainless steel a requirement?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Justin Phillips
>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>> Fax:805-525-1441
>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:03 AM
>> To: Justin Phillips
>> Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
>>
>> As long as the size and pitch of the threads is the right size, I
>> don't see a big deal in wrench size needed for the head.  12-point
>> should be okay.  Gotta make compromises sometimes. :)  We're just
>> quoting at this stage so no worries.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
>>
>>> Asa,
>>>
>>> I am looking to see if we have any blanks that we can begin from, in
>>> order to help keep costs down. Would a 1/2" wrench size 12 pt head
>> work
>>> for the M10 bolt and would a 9/16" wrench size 12 pt head work for
> the
>>> M12 bolt?
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Justin Phillips
>>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>>> Fax:805-525-1441
>>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:31 AM
>>> To: Justin Phillips
>>> Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
>>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the insight.
>>>
>>> Let's quote a quantity of 100 and 200 per each size and see where
> that
>>> comes out.  Once I have a quote for those two quantities, then I can
>>> approach our group to see if it's reasonable.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
>>>
>>>> Asa,
>>>>
>>>> To be honest with you, the price break depends from component to
>>>> component, based on dimensions and what machine setup needs to be
>>> done.
>>>> There really isnt a set number for any of this. I can't accurately
>>> vouch
>>>> off the top of my head what the exact quantities would be. It would
>> be
>>>> safe to say that as quantities exceed 100 to 200 pcs, per bolt cost
>>>> begin to come down lower and lower to more acceptable ranges.
>>>>
>>>> The best bet would be to have our estimator quote out an array of
>>>> quantities, to give you an idea of costs per bolt versus quantity.
>>> Maybe
>>>> with quantities of 50,100,250,500?
>>>>
>>>> All and all, there is not set price break quantities, as machine
>> setup
>>>> costs vary with each different quantity. Let me know if you would
>> like
>>>> to quote all of this and I will be more than happy to do so. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Justin Phillips
>>>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>>>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>>>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>>>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>>>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>>>> Fax:805-525-1441
>>>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 PM
>>>> To: Justin Phillips
>>>> Subject: Re: Drilled Bolts
>>>>
>>>> Justin,
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for the response.  It is understood these may not be
>>>> off-the-shelf bolts.  This is why I asked about minimum quantities,
>>>> price per bolt and turnaround times.  To tool up and produce four
>>> bolts
>>>> is the same to tool up and produce XXX bolts.  What is XXX?  At some
>>>> point the cost then begins to go down based on larger quantities
>>>> (usually referred to as price breaks).  I understand all this.
>>>>
>>>> i.e. It cost four hundred dollars to have 4 or 400 bolts made, so
> you
>>>> might as well make the 400.  What is that number?  (I'm using 400 as
>>> an
>>>> example).  Then at say from 400 to 1000, the price goes down by xx
>> per
>>>> bolt.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not willing to pay four hundred dollars for four bolts.  But I
>>> have
>>>> more people interested in buying these if they can be made, so we
>>> would
>>>> be looking at a larger quantity buy, but we need to know what that
>>> first
>>>>
>>>> price break minimum quantity is so we can understand piece-price
>> cost.
>>>> It does me no good to say I want 50 if it's the same cost as 100.
>>> We'll
>>>>
>>>> go with the 100 instead.  So what is the minimum quantity for that
>>>> production cost?
>>>>
>>>> And 20mm will -not- do, it must be 35.
>>>>
>>>> Can you figure out at what point the first price break is?  Is it
>> 100,
>>>> 200, 500 or some other number.  Put another way, if I pay you $400
> to
>>>> make a drilled M10x1.25x35, how many can I get for that $400?  Same
>>>> question with the drilled M12.1.25x35.  6-point or 12-point doesn't
>>>> matter, as long as they are drilled.  6-point might be preferred
>>> though.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for your time, I look forward to hearing back from you.
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>>
>>>> & Shelley Marie
>>>> Spokane, WA
>>>>
>>>> 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
>>>> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
>>>>
>>>> ******************************
>>>> http://www.asajay.com
>>>> http://www.teampanteraracing.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Justin Phillips wrote:
>>>>> Asa,
>>>>>
>>>>> Hello and thanks for your request.
>>>>>
>>>>> These are not bolts that we would have directly off of the shelf
>>>>> drilled. We do have a 12 pt M10x1.25 bolt with 20mm of thread on
>> hand
>>>>> that we could modify with a drilled head. With a small quantity,
>> cost
>>>>> would most likely come back in a quote of three to four hundred
>>>> dollars.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The M12 bolts would be a bit tougher, as it would be something that
>>> we
>>>>> would not have already made that we could add the drilling to. We
>>>> would
>>>>> need to start from scratch on the whole bolt. This can be done, but
>>>> with
>>>>> the quantity being asked, pricing would most likely range in the
>> four
>>>> to
>>>>> seven hundred dollar range.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be a much better cost per bolt if the quantities could be
>>>>> increased, so it may be something to think about. Please let me
> know
>>>> if
>>>>> you have any questions, or if you would like to look into quoting
>>>> these
>>>>> bolts. Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Phillips
>>>>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>>>>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>>>>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>>>>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>>>>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>>>>> Fax:805-525-1441
>>>>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: ARP Questions [mailto:arpmail at smokeyyunick.com]
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:34 PM
>>>>> To: info
>>>>> Cc: asajay at asajay.com
>>>>> Subject: Website Submitted Question from Asa Jay Laughton
>>>>>
>>>>> Question Number: 25108
>>>>>
>>>>> Asa Jay Laughton -
>>>>> asajay at asajay.com
>>>>> 612 N. Rambo Rd. Box 1204
>>>>>
>>>>> Medical Lake   WA   99022
>>>>>
>>>>> Submitted: 8/2/2009 @ 19:34:07
>>>>>
>>>>> Looking for an M12x1.25x35 -and M10x1.25x35 hex or 12-point bolt
>>>>> drilled for safety wire.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can ARP Supply these sizes in small quantities (four of each size)
>>> for
>>>>
>>>>> use on Brake Calipers to Uprights.  If a minimum quantity is
>>> required,
>>>>
>>>>> please let me know price per bolt, the minimum quantity and
>>> turnaround
>>>>
>>>>> time.  I will work on a group buy to meet minimums if required.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you,
>>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Website Question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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