[DeTomaso] Fwd: RE: Drilled Bolts
asajay at asajay.com
asajay at asajay.com
Wed Aug 12 14:51:06 EDT 2009
Hi all,
I got information back from ARP regarding the two bolts they could
fabricate for the brake calipers. Here is the info. Bottom line,
nearly $20 a bolt at the minimum quantity I spec'd.
There would need to be 25 people interested at that price in order to
make a purchase at that price. Else it's buy the bolts from somoene
like McMaster Carr and drill them yourself.
Asa Jay
Asa,
Hello. Below is pricing for the two bolts that you are looking for.
Please note of the head dimensions listed as well.
*6AU1.375-1D (9/16" wrenching 12 pt head, with .518 height and .825"
flange OD, cross drilled for a .050" hole. 1.375"
uhl, fully threaded with 12x1.25 thread, 8740 material)
Cost for 100: $18.12 ea
200: $11.13 ea
500: $6.35 ea
*5AM1.375-1D (1/2" wrenching 12 pt head, with .435 height and .745"
flange OD, cross drilled for a .050" hole. 1.375" uhl, fully
threaded
with 10x1.25 thread, 8740 material)
Cost for 100: $16.77 ea
200: $10.25 ea
500: $5.74 ea
Lead time for both bolts: 8-10 weeks
Please let me know if you have any questions, or if you would like to go
ahead with this order. Thanks.
Best Regards,
Justin Phillips
Specialty Products Coordinator
Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
Santa Paula, Ca 93060
Tel: 805-525-1497
Fax:805-525-1441
justinp at arpfasteners.com
-----Original Message-----
From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 11:03 AM
To: Justin Phillips
Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
Stainless is not a requirement. Thank you for asking.
:)
Asa Jay
Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
> Asa,
>
> I should also mention that the material would be 8740 chrome moly,
with
> a 190 ksi strength. Is stainless steel a requirement?
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Justin Phillips
> Specialty Products Coordinator
> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
> Tel: 805-525-1497
> Fax:805-525-1441
> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 10:03 AM
> To: Justin Phillips
> Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
>
> As long as the size and pitch of the threads is the right size, I
> don't see a big deal in wrench size needed for the head. 12-point
> should be okay. Gotta make compromises sometimes. :) We're just
> quoting at this stage so no worries.
>
> Thank you,
> Asa Jay
>
> Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
>
>> Asa,
>>
>> I am looking to see if we have any blanks that we can begin from, in
>> order to help keep costs down. Would a 1/2" wrench size 12 pt head
> work
>> for the M10 bolt and would a 9/16" wrench size 12 pt head work for
the
>> M12 bolt?
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Justin Phillips
>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>> Fax:805-525-1441
>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: asajay at asajay.com [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, August 06, 2009 9:31 AM
>> To: Justin Phillips
>> Subject: RE: Drilled Bolts
>>
>> Justin,
>>
>> Thank you for the insight.
>>
>> Let's quote a quantity of 100 and 200 per each size and see where
that
>> comes out. Once I have a quote for those two quantities, then I can
>> approach our group to see if it's reasonable.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Quoting Justin Phillips <justinp at arpfasteners.com>:
>>
>>> Asa,
>>>
>>> To be honest with you, the price break depends from component to
>>> component, based on dimensions and what machine setup needs to be
>> done.
>>> There really isnt a set number for any of this. I can't accurately
>> vouch
>>> off the top of my head what the exact quantities would be. It would
> be
>>> safe to say that as quantities exceed 100 to 200 pcs, per bolt cost
>>> begin to come down lower and lower to more acceptable ranges.
>>>
>>> The best bet would be to have our estimator quote out an array of
>>> quantities, to give you an idea of costs per bolt versus quantity.
>> Maybe
>>> with quantities of 50,100,250,500?
>>>
>>> All and all, there is not set price break quantities, as machine
> setup
>>> costs vary with each different quantity. Let me know if you would
> like
>>> to quote all of this and I will be more than happy to do so. Thanks.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>>
>>> Justin Phillips
>>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>>> Fax:805-525-1441
>>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Asa Jay Laughton [mailto:asajay at asajay.com]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, August 05, 2009 9:47 PM
>>> To: Justin Phillips
>>> Subject: Re: Drilled Bolts
>>>
>>> Justin,
>>>
>>> Thank you for the response. It is understood these may not be
>>> off-the-shelf bolts. This is why I asked about minimum quantities,
>>> price per bolt and turnaround times. To tool up and produce four
>> bolts
>>> is the same to tool up and produce XXX bolts. What is XXX? At some
>>> point the cost then begins to go down based on larger quantities
>>> (usually referred to as price breaks). I understand all this.
>>>
>>> i.e. It cost four hundred dollars to have 4 or 400 bolts made, so
you
>>> might as well make the 400. What is that number? (I'm using 400 as
>> an
>>> example). Then at say from 400 to 1000, the price goes down by xx
> per
>>> bolt.
>>>
>>> I'm not willing to pay four hundred dollars for four bolts. But I
>> have
>>> more people interested in buying these if they can be made, so we
>> would
>>> be looking at a larger quantity buy, but we need to know what that
>> first
>>>
>>> price break minimum quantity is so we can understand piece-price
> cost.
>>> It does me no good to say I want 50 if it's the same cost as 100.
>> We'll
>>>
>>> go with the 100 instead. So what is the minimum quantity for that
>>> production cost?
>>>
>>> And 20mm will -not- do, it must be 35.
>>>
>>> Can you figure out at what point the first price break is? Is it
> 100,
>>> 200, 500 or some other number. Put another way, if I pay you $400
to
>>> make a drilled M10x1.25x35, how many can I get for that $400? Same
>>> question with the drilled M12.1.25x35. 6-point or 12-point doesn't
>>> matter, as long as they are drilled. 6-point might be preferred
>> though.
>>>
>>> Thank you for your time, I look forward to hearing back from you.
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>
>>> & Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>>
>>> 1971 Mach I Mustang [ASA JAY]
>>> 1973 Pantera L 5533 [ASASCAT]
>>>
>>> ******************************
>>> http://www.asajay.com
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Justin Phillips wrote:
>>>> Asa,
>>>>
>>>> Hello and thanks for your request.
>>>>
>>>> These are not bolts that we would have directly off of the shelf
>>>> drilled. We do have a 12 pt M10x1.25 bolt with 20mm of thread on
> hand
>>>> that we could modify with a drilled head. With a small quantity,
> cost
>>>> would most likely come back in a quote of three to four hundred
>>> dollars.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The M12 bolts would be a bit tougher, as it would be something that
>> we
>>>> would not have already made that we could add the drilling to. We
>>> would
>>>> need to start from scratch on the whole bolt. This can be done, but
>>> with
>>>> the quantity being asked, pricing would most likely range in the
> four
>>> to
>>>> seven hundred dollar range.
>>>>
>>>> It would be a much better cost per bolt if the quantities could be
>>>> increased, so it may be something to think about. Please let me
know
>>> if
>>>> you have any questions, or if you would like to look into quoting
>>> these
>>>> bolts. Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>
>>>> Justin Phillips
>>>> Specialty Products Coordinator
>>>> Automotive Racing Products, Inc.
>>>> 1760 E. Lemonwood Dr.
>>>> Santa Paula, Ca 93060
>>>> Tel: 805-525-1497
>>>> Fax:805-525-1441
>>>> justinp at arpfasteners.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: ARP Questions [mailto:arpmail at smokeyyunick.com]
>>>> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:34 PM
>>>> To: info
>>>> Cc: asajay at asajay.com
>>>> Subject: Website Submitted Question from Asa Jay Laughton
>>>>
>>>> Question Number: 25108
>>>>
>>>> Asa Jay Laughton -
>>>> asajay at asajay.com
>>>> 612 N. Rambo Rd. Box 1204
>>>>
>>>> Medical Lake WA 99022
>>>>
>>>> Submitted: 8/2/2009 @ 19:34:07
>>>>
>>>> Looking for an M12x1.25x35 -and M10x1.25x35 hex or 12-point bolt
>>>> drilled for safety wire.
>>>>
>>>> Can ARP Supply these sizes in small quantities (four of each size)
>> for
>>>
>>>> use on Brake Calipers to Uprights. If a minimum quantity is
>> required,
>>>
>>>> please let me know price per bolt, the minimum quantity and
>> turnaround
>>>
>>>> time. I will work on a group buy to meet minimums if required.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you,
>>>> Asa Jay
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Website Question
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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