[DeTomaso] Cleveland Timing Set

Ken Green kenn_green at yahoo.com
Thu Sep 25 17:38:53 EDT 2008


I think I have an SVO belt drive for a Cleveland somewhere, kind of a rare piece.  If someone wants it, I think I paid $200.  I think Gary Roys was familiar with it, and said they worked great, after you drilled holes in the Cam sprocket so oil did not accumulate under the belt.
 
Ken

--- On Thu, 9/25/08, Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote:

From: Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Timing Set
To: "'Paul - Home'" <thedrol at pobox.com>, unlisted-recipients at yahoo.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Thursday, September 25, 2008, 12:36 PM

Hi Paul,

Every good answer always brings more questions. If the crank lives well with
the harmonics how are they bad for a cam?

Larry - Cleveland


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The concept of harmonics in the gear train goes like this...

The crankshaft doesn't actually turn smoothly, it twists and untwists. 
These twists and untwists get transferred to the camshaft through the 
drive.  With a gear drive they are directly coupled, with a chain and 
gear some of the twists get "used up" in the slop in the chain and
are 
not transferred the camshaft.  With a belt even more of the twists "used 
up" by the belt stretching and relaxing.

At least that's how I've heard it explained.

Paul
#9270

Larry - Ohio Time Corp wrote:
> Last year I spoke to Dan Jones friend from AU that imports the Cleveland
> parts, I forgot his name. He was telling me one of the big advantages of
his
> belt drive for the cam is the much reduced harmonics transfer from the
crank
> to the cam. He also said the gear drives were the worst for this transfer.
> 
> I am well aware of harmonics in music, a good thing, how are they bad in a
> motor?
> 
> Larry - Cleveland
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
On
> Behalf Of cengles at cox.net
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008 11:06 AM
> To: Thomas Tornblom
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cleveland Timing Set
> 
> 
> Dear Thomas and Asa,
> 
> I understand the cool factor with gear drive. I understand it has a cool
> sound. I understand that it is supposed to more "accurately time cam
events"
> than a timing chain.
> 
> Dumb question: Does it ever "wear out" like a double roller
timing chain?
> 
> Curious, Chuck Engles
> 
> PS: I called Summit: the 351C set *might* be available, but Summit found
> that it wasn't reliably and immediately available and ceased to carry
it.
> So, a direct contact to PJ Gear Drives would answer that question, but I
> can't find any way to directly contact them even through their
> website---they seem to be a secretive bunch.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ---- Thomas Tornblom <Thomas.Tornblom at hax.se> wrote:
>> Asa Jay Laughton skrev:
>>> I put a Pete Jackson quiet gear drive:
>>> Summit Racing:
>>>
http://store.summitracing.com/partdetail.asp?part=PJJ-289-9C&autoview=sku
>> That one is for windsors.
>>
>> Looking at:
>>
>> http://www.petejacksongeardrives.net/24122.html
>>
>> it seems it is discontinued, and I don't see any cleveland gears
either.
>>
>>
>>> in my 1971 Mach I. I can still hear it, but it's not bad at
all
>>> really. Once it gets some revs to it, it begins to sound a bit
like a
>>> blower, so there is that cool factor. Overall I'd do it again.
>>>
>>> Asa Jay
>>>
>>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>>
>>> &Shelley Marie
>>> Spokane, WA
>>>
>>> 1973 Pantera L 5533
>>> [ASASCAT]
>>>
>>> ******************************
>>> http://www.asajay.com
>>> http://www.351c.info
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> tony DiGiovanna wrote:
>>>> I have previously seen more chain stretch than I like, even
with good
>>>> quality double roller sets and hole drilled in front galley
plug for
> extra
>>>> oiling. I am considering trying a gear drive in a new engine
build.
> Please
>>>> post me your experiences good or bad. Please include mfr and
model.
Seem
>>>> to recall there are really noisy ones and not so noisy ones.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks guys in advance.
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