[DeTomaso] Aluminum Cleveland Block

[Will Demelo]

I was looking through Summit the other day and saw stainless 180's for a 
Clevor on sale at 50% off.
Hmmmm. Yes, they'll be custom and very expensive.
Will ($3k later) D.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: "LS" <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
Cc: <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Aluminum Cleveland Block


>
> The availablity of headers will depend on the exact heads you use. They 
> are likely to end up being custom, especially if you want 180s.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Wed, 9/24/08, LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> From: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Aluminum Cleveland Block
> To: "John Zeedick" <Pantera351C at Hotmail.Com>
> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 1:56 PM
>
> Indeed, I am starting to entertain that angle of thinking myself. The 
> Windsor
> would be lighter, smaller, cheaper in all Al form. Also, the delicious 
> T304
> stainless 180s that I'd like to use would be more readily available and
> cheaper.
>
> I do like the fact that the C was original to most and also raced by the
> factory and at Le Mans. But, the W is not incorrect.
>
> What a nutty decision.
>
> What about GM LS V8? Just kidding...
>
> Thanks,
> LS
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: John Zeedick <Pantera351C at Hotmail.Com>
> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:42:45 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Aluminum Cleveland Block
>
> LS:
>
> I would stuff anything made by ford/BMW/or a hemi in a Pantera because of 
> my
> weird philosophy of that if the car builder installed one in any of his 
> cars
> he made it is ok to install it in your car...weird maybe. I remember 
> reading
> a road and track with an article about The European Pantera GTS. It stated
> that the car came with a Windsor because the supply of clevelands dried 
> up.
>
> Pantera Cleveland/Windsor/5 liter/Hemi (Hemi after ford axed the program 
> and
> Iacocca tried to see if he could sell the Pantera under the Chrysler 
> badge.
> He had a Hemi installed.
>
> Guara (1st car produced) Bimmer V8. A bimmer v8 uncorked just sounds too
> good.
>
>
> Install away I say and best of luck
>
> John
>
>
>
>
> On 9/24/08 12:56 PM, "LS" <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Bill, Chuck, thanks for the replies and updates.
>>
>> I can't believe nobody in AUS has put one together yet...
>>
>> Is installing a Windsor in an early Pantera blasphemous??'t'
>>
>> Thanks,
>> LS
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: "cengles at cox.net" <cengles at cox.net>
>> To: LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 12:38:20 PM
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Aluminum Cleveland Block
>>
>>
>> Dear LS,
>> The short answer is that no one is reliably producing aluminum 351 C
> blocks
>> and there are none, reliable or not, readily available.
>> The long answer is that there were a very few aluminum blocks cast by 
>> Ford
> for
>> racing purposes. You won't find any of these . Todd Buttermore has
> experience
>> with engine casting and production. He has embarked on a project to 
>> create
> a
>> new, improved 351C with corrections and improvements on the old design. 
>> He
> has
>> cast up a few blocks. He is not reliably producing them, but he intends 
>> to
>> provide them in aluminum and iron. To my knowledge, this block has not 
>> yet
>> been assembled into a working engine nor tested in the real world. It
> seems
>> very promising, but it certainly will be a while before it is available.
>> Warmest regards, Chuck Engles
>>
>> ---- LS <lashdeep at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>> Is anyone reliably producing Al 351C blocks today?
>>>
>>> I have seen talk about tooling up some from different manufacturers,
> but
>>> can't find any readily available sources.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> LS
>>>
>>>
>>>
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