[DeTomaso] Laminova oil cooler

Wed Sep 3 23:19:21 EDT 2008

DM

To answer that question.two many at times. I am on my 17th hour at work and
still at it (11:15 EDT) so I am only a Pantera Slacker.

Larry (time to punch out) - Cleveland

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From: Mad Dog Antenucci [mailto:teampantera at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 10:56 PM
To: larry at ohiotimecorp.com; adin at frontier.net; JDeRyke at aol.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laminova oil cooler

How many inoperable Pantera's do you have at home slacker?

Larry - Ohio Time Corp <larry at ohiotimecorp.com> wrote: 

Sorry, I did not read that far down to see go...

Larry (Evelyn Wood dropout) - Cleveland

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of adin at frontier.net
Sent: Wednesday, September 03, 2008 5:14 PM
To: JDeRyke at aol.com
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Laminova oil cooler

Ahhh, another documentation challenge!

well, let's see . . . in my over instrumented daily driver (302 fi) 
the engine oil starts to warm before any water is circulated 
(thermostat opens). In order to warm the oil the luminova water would 
have to come right our of the engine. Conversely, to cool the oil we 
would want the luminova water going into the engine from the radiator.

In my daily driver during the majority of the duty cycle, the engine 
coolant temps run a stable 195 +/- a few (195 thermostat). Coolant 
exiting the radiator varies greatly - 50degrees during morning start 
up to about 190ish when the cooling fans come on. Coolant temps have 
yet to exceed 200. the oil temps seem to run between 195 (coasting 
down the mountain) to about 210 during a hard climb up the mountain. 
(thus my concern that I "may" need an oil cooler for track days) 
Pretty amazing oil temp control in that little ford motor.

the daily driver, btw, is a miata w/ a 302 - part of the conversion 
process is mating the miata gauges to the ford mechanicals. When I 
got this I had no idea what anything was doing, what the gauge reading 
meant, when the fans were coming on/going off (easy larry) or anything 
else. I found that the "normal" miata gauge reading was really 160 
degrees in the motor (which was in cold startup mode all the time) and 
the "almost on the peg" reading was actually 195 - right where I 
wanted it. Fans come on at 185 and go off at 170. I now also know 
that the motor that wouldn't rev past 4000 rpm does - the miata tach 
does NOT. Lesson? If you don't know what you have . . . why do you 
want to change it?

After all these years I must admit, the Pantera oil is probably toooo 
cool most of the time. It IS nice to be in the pits in p'rump w/ 195 
degree oil while everyone else is sweating temps and squirting 
coolant. (Go Larry!)

cheers,

David in Durango, still grouchy and dirty but fully instrumented and
informed.

Quoting JDeRyke at aol.com:

>
> In a message dated 9/3/08 12:43:38 PM, adin at frontier.net writes:
>
>> Am I confused here?  Isn't the big advantage of the water/oil cooling the
>> very fact that it also heats the oil as the water temp climbs???? and, in
a
>> second hand way, the oil temp is controlled - nope too strong a 
>> word - the oil
>> temp is urged to somewhat follow the water temp???
>>
> All true -in Summer. In the winter, oil temps climb VERY slowly and
> over-cooling oil with heat exchangers is common. Most systems have a 
> shut-off (manual
> or automatic) in the circuit for cold weather driving. FWIW- J DeRyke
>
>
>
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>
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