[DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in aPantera)

Fri Oct 24 15:46:36 EDT 2008

<<we know people with more dollars than sense>>

All I have is sense and cents...

Larry (boyish good looks?) - Cleveland

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From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On
Behalf Of Peter Kovacs
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 3:43 PM
To: adin at frontier.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in
aPantera)

Lets rewrite Curts remark.

Dollars do not equal Sense. or 'we know people with more dollars than
sense'.

Peter Kovacs
Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
209 345-6708 
209 523-4919 fx

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From: "adin at frontier.net" <adin at frontier.net>
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:35:59 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in a
Pantera)

Its the 2nd law of the universe:

Money does NOT equal good sense.

Just as my charm and boyish good looks do NOT guarantee success w/ the
ladies.

Pretty simple, eh?

Quoting Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>:

>
> I've heard on several occasions that a very large percentage of  
> Porsche 930's had experienced severe damage to the rear of the cars  
> from getting backwards in a curve.  I don't recall details, but it  
> seemed to be a common scenario.  I wonder if there is a similar  
> scenario of a lot of the Ford GT crashes?
>
> I found this description of the 930 scenario:
>
> The Porsche 930 proved very fast but also very demanding. The 911  
> was prone to oversteer because of its rear engine layout and short  
> wheelbase; combining those traits with the power of the turbocharged  
>  motor, which exhibited significant turbo-lag, made the problem more  
>  prevalent. Even though the rear engine layout provided superior  
> traction, sudden bursts of power to the rear wheels in mid-corner  
> could break the tires loose, causing the car to literally spin out  
> of control. This effect was amplified if an unexperienced driver  
> would instinctively lift the throttle in reaction. The vehicle  
> needed to be kept at high revs during spirited driving to minimise  
> the turbo-lag. Skilled drivers quickly learned how to drive the 930  
> properly, and with that knowledge came the ability to drive the car  
> above and beyond the levels of most other sports cars.  
>  Nevertheless, some fatal accidents resulted in product liability  
> law suits brought against Porsche in the U.S.
>
> Ken
>
> --- On Fri, 10/24/08, asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:
>
> From: asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular  
> power in a Pantera)
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 11:56 AM
>
> If only I knew where it was going.  I'd prefer to have the whole car
> though. Oh well.  Just a shame somebody didn't know how to drive it.
> At least I -admit- I don't know how, I'm past the denial stage, I only
>
> have 11 more steps to go.
>
> Asa Jay
>
>
> Quoting Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>:
>
>> Silver lining may be ....donor drivetrain for a Pantera??
>>
>> Peter Kovacs
>> Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
>> 209 345-6708
>> 209 523-4919 fx
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:14:01 AM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in
>>  a Pantera)
>>
>> Saw a wrecked Ford GT on the back of a flatbed just last week.  I could
>> have cried.
>>
>> Asa Jay
>>
>> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
>>
>> & Shelley Marie
>> Spokane, WA
>>
>> 1971 Mach I Mustang  [ASA JAY]
>> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
>>
>> ******************************
>> http://www.asajay.com
>> http://www.351c.info
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>>> Great advice on the engine selection process.
>>>
>>> I'd believe that 30% of the Ford GT have been wrecked, just
> because some
>>> Gomer has 150-200K to spend on the car doesn't make him qualified
> to own it.
>>> There should have been a Skip Barbour or other school program required
> to
>>> buy those cars. One of the best things about Brumos Porsche Audi in
>>> Jacksonville, FL is that they have a free track day/driving school for
>>> people who buy cars from them, a nice perk to be sure, esp if the
> dealer has
>>> a pedigree like they have and when Hurley Haywood is an instructor.
>>>
>>> Ford missed the boat by not doing that, cash ain't no substitute
> for skill.
>>>
>>> Michael in Savannah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM, David Gordon
> <dgordon100 at cox.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>   I'd suggest looking carefully at your intended use and
> budget not only
>>>> short term but long term before deciding on a motor.  As one of
> the
>>>> "couple" that Jack referred to, though none are on the
> road yet as far
>>>> as I know, I'd probably say for day in and day out street
> driving and
>>>> occasional banzai runs, the Roush 427 FI motor is a pretty good
> choice.
>>>> It is Windsor based.  The 5.4 modular has a very long stroke and
> has
>>>> more torque than a 4.6 but doesn't rev as high.  I'm a
> tech junkie so I
>>>> chose a more technological advanced route plus a supercharged
> engine is
>>>> easier to get serious power from without having to tear it
> apart.  With
>>>> a pulley change the GT motor pumps out ~625 RWHP and if you go
> with a
>>>> larger supercharger ~750 to 850 RWHP all on pump gas and without
> having
>>>> to worry about internal engine part failures.  Turbo chargers are
> more
>>>> efficient but make power higher up.  A couple of people on with
> Ford GT
>>>> cars are running a twin turbo with the supercharger to have the
> low end
>>>> grunt of a supercharger with the all out power of turbochargers.
> An
>>>> estimated 30% of all Ford GT cars have been wrecked according to
> one of
>>>> the moderators on the GT forum.  Increased power may mean
> increased risk
>>>> of damage to your car.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Last I heard the drive in drive out price of a regular 4.6 or 5.4
>>>> modular conversion was about $17K at one of the vendors.  Some
> money can
>>>> probably be saved by using a Ford PCM rather than a Motec.
> Several
>>>> people have done the conversion themselves and saved some money.
>>>> Richard Barkley has a nice article on what he went through and
> some
>>>> resources he used to keep the cost down
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes on your engine choice,
>>>>
>>>> David
>>>>
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