[DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera) Re early 930 turbos

Fri Oct 24 15:24:55 EDT 2008

...and boost created while downshifting into the turns would push the front tires right off the road since there was not weight to keep it down. Wreck if you are on the gas and wreck if you are off. Only the proper balance between the 2 got you through safely.

Peter Kovacs
Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
209 345-6708 
209 523-4919 fx

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From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
To: detomaso at realbig.com; asajay at asajay.com
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 12:19:09 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera)

I've heard on several occasions that a very large percentage of Porsche 930's had experienced severe damage to the rear of the cars from getting backwards in a curve.  I don't recall details, but it seemed to be a common scenario.  I wonder if there is a similar scenario of a lot of the Ford GT crashes?

I found this description of the 930 scenario:

The Porsche 930 proved very fast but also very demanding. The 911 was prone to oversteer because of its rear engine layout and short wheelbase; combining those traits with the power of the turbocharged motor, which exhibited significant turbo-lag, made the problem more prevalent. Even though the rear engine layout provided superior traction, sudden bursts of power to the rear wheels in mid-corner could break the tires loose, causing the car to literally spin out of control. This effect was amplified if an unexperienced driver would instinctively lift the throttle in reaction. The vehicle needed to be kept at high revs during spirited driving to minimise the turbo-lag. Skilled drivers quickly learned how to drive the 930 properly, and with that knowledge came the ability to drive the car above and beyond the levels of most other sports cars.  Nevertheless, some fatal accidents resulted in product liability law suits brought against Porsche in the U.S.

Ken

--- On Fri, 10/24/08, asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com> wrote:

From: asajay at asajay.com <asajay at asajay.com>
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera)
To: detomaso at realbig.com
Date: Friday, October 24, 2008, 11:56 AM

If only I knew where it was going.  I'd prefer to have the whole car  
though. Oh well.  Just a shame somebody didn't know how to drive it.  
At least I -admit- I don't know how, I'm past the denial stage, I only 

have 11 more steps to go.

Asa Jay

Quoting Peter Kovacs <peter-kovacs at sbcglobal.net>:

> Silver lining may be ....donor drivetrain for a Pantera??
>  
> Peter Kovacs
> Property Equity & Mortgage Mgmt
> 209 345-6708
> 209 523-4919 fx
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> From: Asa Jay Laughton <asajay at asajay.com>
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 7:14:01 AM
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Wrecked Ford GTs ( Re: Ford 4.6 modular power in  
>  a Pantera)
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> Saw a wrecked Ford GT on the back of a flatbed just last week.  I could
> have cried.
>
> Asa Jay
>
> Asa Jay Laughton, MSgt, USAFR, Retired
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> Spokane, WA
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> 1973 Pantera L 5533  [ASASCAT]
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> michael at michaelshortt.com wrote:
>> Great advice on the engine selection process.
>>
>> I'd believe that 30% of the Ford GT have been wrecked, just
because some
>> Gomer has 150-200K to spend on the car doesn't make him qualified
to own it.
>> There should have been a Skip Barbour or other school program required
to
>> buy those cars. One of the best things about Brumos Porsche Audi in
>> Jacksonville, FL is that they have a free track day/driving school for
>> people who buy cars from them, a nice perk to be sure, esp if the
dealer has
>> a pedigree like they have and when Hurley Haywood is an instructor.
>>
>> Ford missed the boat by not doing that, cash ain't no substitute
for skill.
>>
>> Michael in Savannah
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 12:04 AM, David Gordon
<dgordon100 at cox.net> wrote:
>>
>>  
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   I'd suggest looking carefully at your intended use and
budget not only
>>> short term but long term before deciding on a motor.  As one of
the
>>> "couple" that Jack referred to, though none are on the
road yet as far
>>> as I know, I'd probably say for day in and day out street
driving and
>>> occasional banzai runs, the Roush 427 FI motor is a pretty good
choice.
>>> It is Windsor based.  The 5.4 modular has a very long stroke and
has
>>> more torque than a 4.6 but doesn't rev as high.  I'm a
tech junkie so I
>>> chose a more technological advanced route plus a supercharged
engine is
>>> easier to get serious power from without having to tear it
apart.  With
>>> a pulley change the GT motor pumps out ~625 RWHP and if you go
with a
>>> larger supercharger ~750 to 850 RWHP all on pump gas and without
having
>>> to worry about internal engine part failures.  Turbo chargers are
more
>>> efficient but make power higher up.  A couple of people on with
Ford GT
>>> cars are running a twin turbo with the supercharger to have the
low end
>>> grunt of a supercharger with the all out power of turbochargers. 
An
>>> estimated 30% of all Ford GT cars have been wrecked according to
one of
>>> the moderators on the GT forum.  Increased power may mean
increased risk
>>> of damage to your car.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Last I heard the drive in drive out price of a regular 4.6 or 5.4
>>> modular conversion was about $17K at one of the vendors.  Some
money can
>>> probably be saved by using a Ford PCM rather than a Motec. 
Several
>>> people have done the conversion themselves and saved some money.
>>> Richard Barkley has a nice article on what he went through and
some
>>> resources he used to keep the cost down
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes on your engine choice,
>>>
>>> David
>>>
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