[DeTomaso] Road America Video

Fri Oct 24 10:09:52 EDT 2008

In Georgia, in the SE USA for that matter, rumble strips like those series
of tar 100 yards, 50 yards and 25 yards before a stop sign, usually out in
the country at unlighted intersections.

We call the bumps on race track corners Curbs or Gators ( because they look
like alligators when they are swimming.

All the F1 guys fly over those things, sometimes they really fly over them,
I always used some of them as apex points on tight turns because in Sport
Racers you can't see the ground/track edge that close because of the body
work.
You just learn to feel the slight bump and if they are freshly painted,
sometimes at the end of a session, that paint may be on the sidewalls just a
touch.
Thankfully they have gotten smaller and more car friendly over the years.

Michael in Savannah

On Fri, Oct 24, 2008 at 9:55 AM, David & Marilyn Bell <
davidabell at worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> The yellow 'vibreur' you mentioned are called rumble strips in the US.
>  They
> are a sensory warning that you're about to run out of pavement.  Sometimes
> they are relatively smooth and other times they are very rough like these.
> The 360 driver is consistently all over the rumble strips - which can't be
> good for his suspension or lap times.
>
> I agree that DQ seems to be pushing the car fairly hard in the corners.
>  You
> can sometimes see the P-car squirming around just at the edge of traction.
> I don't think he's coasting through the turns.
>
>
> Muscat Dave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]On
>  Behalf Of Patrick Hals
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2008 8:35 AM
> To: detomaso at realbig.com; Kjetil Finne
> Cc: TRIGAUX Guy
> Subject: [DeTomaso] Road America Video
>
> Hi Kjetil, Hi all,
> You think Dennis is holding back in the turns ?
> Well, I don't share your opinion, look at the video around second 58 or so,
> Dennis is almost out, oversteering , and it's a fast curve. I think he is
> flat out wherever he can, while respecting his car at all time.What does
> Mad
> dog think ? Dawg ?
> None of the drivers are respecting the apex very properly, and the Ferrari
> driver likes to jump on the "vibreurs" in then turns ( How do you say
> "vibreur"... ? ) not the cleanest drive.... On the contrary, Dennis
> respects
> the turns and drives very cleanly, which is good. Indeed, with a Pantera
> vs.
> a "modern car ", hitting the vibreurs aggressively ( especially some of
> those, which are very nasty ) damages your a arms , tyres, shocks, steering
> and bushings, and will not give you a better lap time.
> I've been practicing against 360s very often in Spa, and while they are
> much
> slower than Candy or Andy in the straights, they are way better in braking.
> It is very disappointing and frustrating. But may be Guy or Greg Trigaux
> have another opinion ( Guy, wake up please :>))
> I still wonder what happens to the Pantera at the end, when the Ferrari
> passes it.... It seems that the Pantera is stopped in the traffic.... while
> it should be back in the straights thereafter.
> Good w e to all.
> Pat
>
>
>  Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2008 19:53:45 +0200
> From: Kjetil Finne <kjetfinn at online.no>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Fw:  Road America Video
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>
> Is the cornering capabilities really that different between Dennis
> Pantera, and the 360 challenge?
> I do not think so. To me it seems like Dennis is holding back in the
> turns. There is no signs that he is driving even close to the limits
> On the contrary the Ferrari driver is right on the edge several times,
> before he looses it in the end of the video.
> Same thing with braking, it seems like Dennis likes to play it safe,
> while the Ferrari driver catches up with him no matter the distance on
> the straights.
>
> Kjetil
>
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
> On
> > Behalf Of Will Demelo
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 4:38 PM
> > To: detomaso at realbig.com
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Fw: Road America Video
> >
> > Sorry, forgot to add the link....
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iujeKu-XoU
> > Will
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Will Demelo" <wdemelo at cogeco.ca>
> > To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 7:30 PM
> > Subject: [DeTomaso] Road America Video
> >
> >
> >
> >> Is this Quella's car running in front of the 360 Ferrari? What class are
> >> they running in? Check out the old 50's something heap at 7:58. The
> front
> >> wheel is off the ground around the turn.
> >> The Pantera pulls away on the straights but the F-car catches up in the
> >> turns (no surprise).
> >> Will
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