[DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler

wkooiman at earthlink.net wkooiman at earthlink.net
Fri Oct 24 02:07:05 EDT 2008


It's a personal thing.

I've never been in an SRT-8 and I've never thought about being in a Barr, so there's the correlation.

I dream about my Pantera, and I am married, so I never dream about other women, but if I were to dream about other women, it would be someone like Cindy Crawford.  So there's the other correlation.

Will.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "P. Rimov" <rimov at charter.net>
>Sent: Oct 24, 2008 1:37 AM
>To: deTomaso at realbig.com
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
>
>Will, just which car are you comparing to Roseanne Barr's sister and which 
>car are you comparing to Cindy Crawford?
>
>Cheers
>
>Paul
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: <wkooiman at earthlink.net>
>To: "Christopher Kimball" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>; "P. Rimov" 
><rimov at charter.net>; <detomaso at realbig.com>
>Sent: Thursday, October 23, 2008 9:24 PM
>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
>
>
>You can always tell where people put their priorities.
>
>My analogy wouldn't have been to food.  I probably would have compared the 
>difference between an SRT-8 and a Pantera to the difference between sleeping 
>with Roseanne Barr's uglier sister and sleeping with Cindy Crawford after a 
>weekend in The Atrium with a Dawg.
>
>But that's just me.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
>>Sent: Oct 23, 2008 1:16 AM
>>To: "P. Rimov" <rimov at charter.net>, detomaso at realbig.com
>>Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
>>
>>
>>Very well-said!
>>
>>I have always felt the same way, but have never been able to articulate it 
>>quite so well.
>>
>>I recently acquired a Magnum SRT-8 which is faster 0-60 than a stock 
>>Pantera, probably has a top speed equal, or at least very close to, a stock 
>>Pantera and corners unbelievably well.  It has heated seats, is quiet, 
>>comfortable, has a bunch of cup holders, dual climate control, lots of 
>>luggage space, starts every time, etc. etc. etc.
>>
>>I think it was a wise purchase and I'm glad it's working so well, but you 
>>know what?  The difference between driving the SRT-8 and the Pantera is the 
>>difference between eating a sandwich on a full stomach after being shot 
>>full of novacaine at the dentis's office, and eating perfectly prepared 
>>prime rib after going two days without food.
>>
>>There is absolutely no substitue for the visceral, all-encompasing 
>>experience of a loud, untamed, brutish American V8.  The fact it comes 
>>wrapped in a package more beautiful than any other is simply icing on the 
>>cake.
>>
>>Chris
>>#3846
>>
>>> From: rimov at charter.net
>>> To: deTomaso at realbig.com
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:43:53 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
>>>
>>> Reflecting upon on this topic I see a very close paradigm with the 427 
>>> boss
>>> also being talked about on this forum. As one who has traveled down the 
>>> road
>>> of  thinking newer must be better only to realize otherwise with my 5.0 
>>> EFI
>>> conversion which is similar to the Cleveland in many respects but is 
>>> lighter
>>> than the previous motor, capable of much better fuel economy and 
>>> emissions,
>>> superior starting and smoother predictable performance, the engine is 
>>> simply
>>> not the Cleveland. The car no longer feels like what it used to, which in
>>> many ways does the car an injustice. I think, maybe, older collectable 
>>> cars
>>> should feel nostalgic and remind us of a simpler time, even for the 
>>> briefest
>>> of times when we get the chance to take them out of the garage. I don't
>>> think most people would ever think about replacing the 427 in a Boss 
>>> Mustang
>>> for better mileage, lighter weight, smoother running, or other demands we
>>> make of present day cars. And given the chance to own a modern Mustang
>>> verses a vintage 69 I would have to say I would preferred to drive my
>>> current car to work daily and enjoy the occasional drive in a classic 
>>> with
>>> all it's inherent faults.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> The Traveler
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <boyd411 at gmail.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Bohdan Goyaniuk"
>>> <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera
>>>
>>>
>>> > The 4.6 DOHC does have it's pluses! But there is a lot to be said for a
>>> > BIG cammed, thumping 351 Cleveland in your Pantera! Hey, each to there
>>> > own!
>>> >
>>> > --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Bohdan Goyaniuk <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Bohdan Goyaniuk <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>>> > Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera
>>> > To: boyd411 at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
>>> > Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 7:12 PM
>>> >
>>> > I am in the process of installing a 4.6 DOHC all Aluminum into my
>>> > DeTomaso.
>>> >
>>> >  A stock 351C (not BOSS) makes, at best,  300 hp SAE NET at the crank
>>> > (actually probably closer to 270hp SAE NET).  71 and 72 best advertised
>>> > 330 hp
>>> > were SAE GROSS.  (Recall they changed from SAE GROSS to SAE NET in 72).
>>> > The
>>> > DeTomaso (Santiago and Wilkinson) homologated 4.6 DOHC with Motec 
>>> > computer
>>> > makes
>>> > 367 hp SAE NET at the crank - Certified.
>>> >
>>> >  There is a difference in the torque.  The stock 351C (5.7 litre) makes
>>> > gobs
>>> > of low end torque.  That torque does drop off at higher RPM.  The 4.6
>>> > makes less
>>> > low end torque but the torque curve is flatter across the rpm range and
>>> > effectively is better at higher rpm than the stock 351C.
>>> >
>>> >  A stock 4.6 DOHC all Aluminum vs stock 351C (not Boss) gives you: 1)
>>> > More
>>> > hp. and better overall torque. 2)  Flat interior firewall. 3)  Better 
>>> > Gas
>>> > mileage. 4)  Smoother running engine. 5) roughly a 200 lbs off the curb
>>> > weight
>>> > (not just engine but no other 351C goodies like the 2 coolant tanks). 
>>> > 6)
>>> > Better
>>> > driveability (fuel injection and electronic ignition).
>>> >
>>> >  The 351C can very easily be modified to give 500hp or beyond.  All of
>>> > which
>>> > can be done to the 4.6 DOHC as well.
>>> >
>>> >  The bottom line is cost ... and that IS the difference.  The 4.6 
>>> > option
>>> > is
>>> > more expensive.  But consider comparing the 4.6 to an all aluminum fuel
>>> > injected
>>> > 351C and  - the price difference closes.
>>> >
>>> >  For me, no matter what you do with the 351C you cannot get 2), 3) and 
>>> > 4)
>>> >
>>> >  On the other hand, the Pantera is most closely associated with the 
>>> > 351C.
>>> > Is
>>> > the Pantera's character compromised any differently with a modified 
>>> > 351C,
>>> > Clevor, Windsor, 427, 5.4 DOHC or 4.6 DOHC?
>>> >
>>> >  I had researched this very thoroughly before I put my money down.  I 
>>> > have
>>> > owned a modified 351C '74, as a daily diver, for 18 years.  I have 
>>> > driven
>>> > the 4.6 DOHC car.  For my taste, the Italian Teksid all aluminum 4.6 
>>> > DOHC
>>> > engine
>>> > is the engine the car should have been built with in the first place.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >  B.G.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>>> >
>>> > In a message dated 10/22/08 17 36 39, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> I was looking through Fords racing  sales web page and I saw their 
>>> >> 4.6
>>> >> modular engine with aluminum block , 4 valve , dual overhead cams and
>>> >> availible with various setups that generate up to 700 hp starting at
>>> > $6700.
>>> >> Has anyone heard of installing one of these in a Pantera?  The idea 
>>> >> of
>>> > dohc
>>> >> and 4 valve in an aluminum block seems like a good way to incorporate
>>> >> more
>>> >> modern engine technology. Any thoughts comments?
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Several people (including several people on this forum) have installed 
>>> > the
>>> > little 280 cubic inch modular V-8 into Panteras. I'm not particularly 
>>> > fond
>>> > of
>>> > the conversion myself. The engine is physically huge, apparently 
>>> > somewhat
>>> > lighter, much smoother, gets better fuel economy, and makes about the 
>>> > same
>>> > power
>>> > as a stock 351C.
>>> >
>>> > For the same money, you could either build a great 351C, or a 351W. For 
>>> > a
>>> > bit more money you could get almost double the power with a stroker 427
>>> > based
>>> > on the 351W.
>>> >
>>> > I can see no good reason to remove a 351-inch engine and replace it 
>>> > with a
>>> > 280-inch engine, unless you are really into the technology, and don't 
>>> > mind
>>> > the
>>> > expense and sacrifices that go with it.
>>> >
>>> > I do know that Richard Barkley loves his 4.6, and I think Kjetil Finne
>>> > loves
>>> > his turbocharged 4.6. Brian Bernard spent over $15K having a two-cam
>>> > Lincoln
>>> > 4.6 put into his GT5-S, and he deeply regrets it. He reports his car is
>>> > much smoother but also quite a bit slower than with its stock,
>>> > low-compression,
>>> >
>>> > smog-legal 351C.
>>> >
>>> > Mike
>>> >
>>> >
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