[DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
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Thu Oct 23 10:57:05 EDT 2008
The best cupholders would come from either Zuffa or Tapout
adin at frontier.net wrote:
> Which vendor has the best cupholders? (no offense intended)
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> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
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>> Very well-said!
>>
>> I have always felt the same way, but have never been able to
>> articulate it quite so well.
>>
>> I recently acquired a Magnum SRT-8 which is faster 0-60 than a stock
>> Pantera, probably has a top speed equal, or at least very close to,
>> a stock Pantera and corners unbelievably well. It has heated
>> seats, is quiet, comfortable, has a bunch of cup holders, dual
>> climate control, lots of luggage space, starts every time, etc.
>> etc. etc.
>>
>> I think it was a wise purchase and I'm glad it's working so well,
>> but you know what? The difference between driving the SRT-8 and the
>> Pantera is the difference between eating a sandwich on a full
>> stomach after being shot full of novacaine at the dentis's office,
>> and eating perfectly prepared prime rib after going two days without
>> food.
>>
>> There is absolutely no substitue for the visceral, all-encompasing
>> experience of a loud, untamed, brutish American V8. The fact it
>> comes wrapped in a package more beautiful than any other is simply
>> icing on the cake.
>>
>> Chris
>> #3846
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>>> From: rimov at charter.net
>>> To: deTomaso at realbig.com
>>> Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:43:53 -0700
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera, the traveler
>>>
>>> Reflecting upon on this topic I see a very close paradigm with the 427 boss
>>> also being talked about on this forum. As one who has traveled down the road
>>> of thinking newer must be better only to realize otherwise with my 5.0 EFI
>>> conversion which is similar to the Cleveland in many respects but is lighter
>>> than the previous motor, capable of much better fuel economy and emissions,
>>> superior starting and smoother predictable performance, the engine is simply
>>> not the Cleveland. The car no longer feels like what it used to, which in
>>> many ways does the car an injustice. I think, maybe, older collectable cars
>>> should feel nostalgic and remind us of a simpler time, even for the briefest
>>> of times when we get the chance to take them out of the garage. I don't
>>> think most people would ever think about replacing the 427 in a Boss Mustang
>>> for better mileage, lighter weight, smoother running, or other demands we
>>> make of present day cars. And given the chance to own a modern Mustang
>>> verses a vintage 69 I would have to say I would preferred to drive my
>>> current car to work daily and enjoy the occasional drive in a classic with
>>> all it's inherent faults.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> The Traveler
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Curt Hall" <cuvee at sbcglobal.net>
>>> To: <boyd411 at gmail.com>; <detomaso at realbig.com>; "Bohdan Goyaniuk"
>>> <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 8:24 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> The 4.6 DOHC does have it's pluses! But there is a lot to be said for a
>>>> BIG cammed, thumping 351 Cleveland in your Pantera! Hey, each to there
>>>> own!
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 10/22/08, Bohdan Goyaniuk <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Bohdan Goyaniuk <andriykoisg at yahoo.ca>
>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Ford 4.6 modular power in a Pantera
>>>> To: boyd411 at gmail.com, detomaso at realbig.com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, October 22, 2008, 7:12 PM
>>>>
>>>> I am in the process of installing a 4.6 DOHC all Aluminum into my
>>>> DeTomaso.
>>>>
>>>> A stock 351C (not BOSS) makes, at best, 300 hp SAE NET at the crank
>>>> (actually probably closer to 270hp SAE NET). 71 and 72 best advertised
>>>> 330 hp
>>>> were SAE GROSS. (Recall they changed from SAE GROSS to SAE NET in 72).
>>>> The
>>>> DeTomaso (Santiago and Wilkinson) homologated 4.6 DOHC with Motec computer
>>>> makes
>>>> 367 hp SAE NET at the crank - Certified.
>>>>
>>>> There is a difference in the torque. The stock 351C (5.7 litre) makes
>>>> gobs
>>>> of low end torque. That torque does drop off at higher RPM. The 4.6
>>>> makes less
>>>> low end torque but the torque curve is flatter across the rpm range and
>>>> effectively is better at higher rpm than the stock 351C.
>>>>
>>>> A stock 4.6 DOHC all Aluminum vs stock 351C (not Boss) gives you: 1)
>>>> More
>>>> hp. and better overall torque. 2) Flat interior firewall. 3) Better Gas
>>>> mileage. 4) Smoother running engine. 5) roughly a 200 lbs off the curb
>>>> weight
>>>> (not just engine but no other 351C goodies like the 2 coolant tanks). 6)
>>>> Better
>>>> driveability (fuel injection and electronic ignition).
>>>>
>>>> The 351C can very easily be modified to give 500hp or beyond. All of
>>>> which
>>>> can be done to the 4.6 DOHC as well.
>>>>
>>>> The bottom line is cost ... and that IS the difference. The 4.6 option
>>>> is
>>>> more expensive. But consider comparing the 4.6 to an all aluminum fuel
>>>> injected
>>>> 351C and - the price difference closes.
>>>>
>>>> For me, no matter what you do with the 351C you cannot get 2), 3) and 4)
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, the Pantera is most closely associated with the 351C.
>>>> Is
>>>> the Pantera's character compromised any differently with a modified 351C,
>>>> Clevor, Windsor, 427, 5.4 DOHC or 4.6 DOHC?
>>>>
>>>> I had researched this very thoroughly before I put my money down. I have
>>>> owned a modified 351C '74, as a daily diver, for 18 years. I have driven
>>>> the 4.6 DOHC car. For my taste, the Italian Teksid all aluminum 4.6 DOHC
>>>> engine
>>>> is the engine the car should have been built with in the first place.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B.G.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> MikeLDrew at aol.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>> In a message dated 10/22/08 17 36 39, boyd411 at gmail.com writes:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was looking through Fords racing sales web page and I saw their 4.6
>>>>> modular engine with aluminum block , 4 valve , dual overhead cams and
>>>>> availible with various setups that generate up to 700 hp starting at
>>>>>
>>>> $6700.
>>>>
>>>>> Has anyone heard of installing one of these in a Pantera? The idea of
>>>>>
>>>> dohc
>>>>
>>>>> and 4 valve in an aluminum block seems like a good way to incorporate
>>>>> more
>>>>> modern engine technology. Any thoughts comments?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Several people (including several people on this forum) have installed the
>>>> little 280 cubic inch modular V-8 into Panteras. I'm not particularly fond
>>>> of
>>>> the conversion myself. The engine is physically huge, apparently somewhat
>>>> lighter, much smoother, gets better fuel economy, and makes about the same
>>>> power
>>>> as a stock 351C.
>>>>
>>>> For the same money, you could either build a great 351C, or a 351W. For a
>>>> bit more money you could get almost double the power with a stroker 427
>>>> based
>>>> on the 351W.
>>>>
>>>> I can see no good reason to remove a 351-inch engine and replace it with a
>>>> 280-inch engine, unless you are really into the technology, and don't mind
>>>> the
>>>> expense and sacrifices that go with it.
>>>>
>>>> I do know that Richard Barkley loves his 4.6, and I think Kjetil Finne
>>>> loves
>>>> his turbocharged 4.6. Brian Bernard spent over $15K having a two-cam
>>>> Lincoln
>>>> 4.6 put into his GT5-S, and he deeply regrets it. He reports his car is
>>>> much smoother but also quite a bit slower than with its stock,
>>>> low-compression,
>>>>
>>>> smog-legal 351C.
>>>>
>>>> Mike
>>>>
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