[DeTomaso] FW: Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera..

Thu Oct 16 20:32:02 EDT 2008

-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hawkins [mailto:shawkins777 at comcast.net] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 7:31 PM
To: 'boyd casey'
Subject: RE: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera..

Your wrong of course.  I only gave up my 3000GT VR4 to get a Pantera.  I
raced NSX's and they couldn't keep up.  If you want to start talking about
adding things from stock that's fine but we both start from stock.  There
are plenty of VR4's still on the road and they are holding their value.
Have you owned either one to have any real knowledge? I have, and the VR4
was actually easier to work on than I thought it would be.  Of course it's
not a Pantera, as nothing can beat the styling or wow factor.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: boyd casey [mailto:boyd411 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 6:31 PM
To: Steve Hawkins
Cc: Mad Dog Antenucci; Tom Baranek-Home; michael at michaelshortt.com;
adin at frontier.net; detomaso at realbig.com
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera..

The Mitsubishi 3000 GT VR4's published performance specs are close to an NSX
on paper and that's the only place they can be compared. The Mitsubishi is
one of the biggest pices of automotive crap ever pushed on the public. With
twin turbos they were squeezing every ounce of HP they could get. The NSX is
natuarly aspirated if you put one turbo on it it will crush just about any
sports car on he road ( not a dragstrip) Look at what a 3000 gt VR4 (Dodge
stealth with some extra toys) is worth today ( if you can find one that
still runs)
I thought this sight was about Panteras and other quality cars not Junk!
P.S. They only thing a Mitsubishi could blow was not doors.
Boyd 

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:56 PM, Steve Hawkins <shawkins777 at comcast.net>
wrote:

I had a 3000GT twin turbo that would blow the doors off of an NSX, great
styling and handling also.

Steve

-----Original Message-----
From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com] On

Behalf Of Mad Dog Antenucci
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 10:36 AM
To: Tom Baranek-Home; michael at michaelshortt.com; adin at frontier.net
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com

Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera..

The NSX is beautiful Tom.
 An editor for Road & Track or one of the other auto mags once described
the NSX as the "best sports car in the world"....Yea, I know that was quite
a few years ago but they do rock.

 I questioned all the reviews until I drove one....for a computer brain
instead of a carburator it handles like it is on rails and awas a joy to
drive....great styling. I have a friend (Tom King) at Silver State who is a
long time ORR veteran and he just put a blower on his akready very fast NSX
and is returning in May to run the NORC. I like them but as long as I am
dreaming give me the new midship Audi <?>

 dawg
Tom Baranek-Home <tbaranek at earthlink.net> wrote:
 There are 3-4 Pantera/NSX people here...
When you hear custom Borla pipes screaming at 8,000+ rpm...I dare you to
yawn!

----- Original Message -----
From: michael at michaelshortt.com
To: adin at frontier.net
Cc: detomaso at realbig.com ; Tom Baranek-Home
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2008 9:56 AM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera..

Ask Tom Baranek in NC, he has a beautiful Black with Red Int NSX to match
his Red Pantera with a Black int. Great car, no rust issues ( like it can't
rust ), only about 270-300 hp, but they weigh nothing. If I had a big, big
garage, it would be one of the toys I'd fill it with.

Michael in Savannah

On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 9:51 AM, wrote:

Yep, the chebbies are the numbers champs. hard to beat at twice the $.

Soul? None, nadda zip.

If you want something soul-less, why not that Honda/Acura mid-engine thingy?

At least it "looks" like a performance car. At a distance,I can't
distuinguish a C-6 from the latest Miata. Its true, throw gas on me and
light the fuse.

Admittedly, the "soul" can become tiresome (the new truck motor is sure a
beast for the street) but when you give it the foot feed it IS sweet.

Quoting wkooiman at earthlink.net:

> I completely agree with Dawg's response on this thread.
>
> Vettes are better in many ways, but the only way to stop the
> yawn-o-meter is to park a real car (like a Pantera) next to it.
>
> I'd still like a Vette, but not at the expense of my Pantera.
>
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: msm at portata.com
>> Sent: Oct 16, 2008 12:09 AM
>> To: LaurieFerrari at aol.com, Detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera.. "a
>> moment ofhonesty"
>>
>> By that same logic, Toyota minivans are far roomier and more
>> comfortable than Corvettes. They get better mileage than Corvettes.
>> They are more reliable than Corvettes. Yup, Toyota minivans kick
>> Corvette ass.
>>
>>
>> (You didn't think I would let that pass, did you? :-)
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com
>> [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>> On Behalf Of LaurieFerrari at aol.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2008 9:08 PM
>> To: Detomaso at realbig.com
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Tonight's debate: Vette vs. Pantera.. "a moment
>> ofhonesty"
>>
>> Let's take a moment for pure honesty: Matters not which, C5, C6 or
>> any
>>
>> other Vette...you've got to admit, they are far superior in all ways:
>> comfort, styling, speed, fuel efficiency, reliability, and proven to
>> outperform any
>> anti-depressant on the market. On the other hand.. the Pantera makes
>> for a
>> humbling balance (except for its beautiful styling) sucks on comfort,
>> sucks on
>> fuel efficiency, super sucks on reliability and certainly some of the
>> vendors
>> are a pain in the decklid! But other than that, the owners are very
>> lovely,
>> witty and entertaining, and so I enjoy ownership and I do appreciate my
>> P for
>> being "uniquely different."
>>
>> Laurie: might be found braless, shoeless, pantiless, moneyless,
>> homeless.... but never Vetteless. (and now loving my C5 even better,
>> thanks MF).
>>
>> p.s. regarding the polyester, nylon jacket and white shoe business,
>> who's to say.. is that significantly worse than the attire of he who
>> criticizes?
>>
>> (last comment censored and revised for purposes of diplomacy)
>>
>> ----------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Well hell my Triumph Bonneville does better then that!
>> You still need polyester slacks, white shoes, a nylon jacket with a
>> bunch of patches all over it before the new Vette will start........I
>> don't care what
>> you think.
>> Its still butt ugly ;-]>
>>
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