[DeTomaso] cooler air to carb

adin at frontier.net adin at frontier.net
Sat Oct 11 20:46:15 EDT 2008


Tomas,

Most of these trailer queens add oil coolers and don't know the oil  
temp.  You are expecting a bit much, IMHO.

best,

grouchy, dirty, and geezin'



Quoting Tomas Gunnarsson <guson at home.se>:

> Chris,
>
> Why don't you just take an indoor/outdoor thermometer and tape the   
> outdoor sensor to e.g. the air cleaner, hanging next to the filter   
> element. Then see what difference the fans make when turned on.
>
> Tomas
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Christopher Kimball" <chrisvkimball at msn.com>
> To: "Dave Londry" <davel at emspace.com>
> Cc: "Pantera List Serve" <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 12, 2008 12:34 AM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>
>
>> Wait; if you take another look you'll see they are extractors!  The  
>>  are positioned on the engine cover in such a way as to pull air  
>> out  of the engine compartment.  I believe when the car is moving   
>> quickly, the air gets sucked into the engine compartment from under  
>>  the car and out the top through the engine cover (which stock was  
>> a  screen of some sort, I think) and then out the glass-less  
>> "window."   My ingenious fans simply pull the hot air out of the  
>> engine bay  (and maybe, consequently pull cold air in from  
>> underneath) while  sitting at stop lights, etc.  At higher speeds  
>> my assumption is my  little fan blades are probably whizzing around  
>> faster than they  ordinarily would, since at that point the airflow  
>> would be shooting  through the fan openings in the same direction  
>> as the fans would  want to pull anyway.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>> Chris
>> #3846
>>
>>
>>
>>> Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:47:52 -0700
>>> From: davel at emspace.com
>>> To: chrisvkimball at msn.com
>>> CC: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>>>
>>> Chriiiiiis
>>> If you'd just turn those damn fans over so they were hot air extractors,
>>> all us gearheads would probably go,
>>> "hmm - that 's maybe a good idea for low-speed conditions"
>>> or something equally insightful??.
>>> (wouldn't be us much fun though, would it)
>>>
>>> dave londry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Christopher Kimball wrote:
>>> > ...the post about the engine-cover fans was, you know, kind of a  
>>>  joke...(ask Mike Drew about that).
>>> >
>>> > Sometime in the future I might write something such as, "As   
>>> President Regan would say..." so be prepared!
>>> >
>>> > Chris
>>> > #3846
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:54 -0600
>>> >> From: adin at frontier.net
>>> >> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Little know fact, Bruce died testing some decades ago.  I doubt he has
>>> >> been "recently quoted" on anything.
>>> >>
>>> >> Just the fact, ma'am . . . . sorry.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>> Little known fact:  All McLaren automobiles have two, small fans
>>> >>> mounted on their engine covers ventilating the engine compartment.
>>> >>> They purchased the technology and associated patent from a
>>> >>> little-known financial planner who lives in Washington State.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Bruce McLaren was recently quoted as saying that if it weren't for
>>> >>> that brilliant design concept, none of his cars would have ever
>>> >>> finished a race...
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Chris
>>> >>> #3846
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:00:25 -0400
>>> >>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> >>>> To: teampantera at yahoo.com
>>> >>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com; guson at home.se; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> OK, how about we just agree that McLaren knows a thing or two  
>>>  about this and
>>> >>>> that on the 1996 F1 Street Car which I think was the fastest   
>>> production car
>>> >>>> on the planet until last year, the fresh air is brought in on  
>>>  the roof like
>>> >>>> the thing that some of you guys use over the roof.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Just like the air intake on an Formula One car, high over the  
>>>  drivers head
>>> >>>> in the cleanest air they can find.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Here is a group ( 10 teams ) that spend BILLIONS of dollars   
>>> on research
>>> >>>> and employ the smartest car engineers in the world, all of them use
>>> >>>> air coolers ( even using portable fans powered by Makita   
>>> batteries when
>>> >>>> pitted ) and they rarely let them idle at a stand sit except   
>>> when waiting on
>>> >>>> the sessions to open and if you want to hear David Hobbs   
>>> whine, let them sit
>>> >>>> there for more than 30 seconds and see what happens.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I'm sure that if there was a better way, Flux Capacitor   
>>> Nitrogen dipped,
>>> >>>> streamlined forced air triangulation induced induction with   
>>> big brown dark
>>> >>>> raisin smuggler nipples - they'd be doing it!
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> ;-)
>>> >>>>
>>>
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