[DeTomaso] cooler air to carb

adin at frontier.net adin at frontier.net
Sat Oct 11 20:43:45 EDT 2008


chapparal, no McLaren.

Are you guys razzing me?

"I remember something about Panteras in the 70s . . .oh wait, NO I don't."



Quoting Dave McManus <dave at damardirect.com>:

> I remember something about the McLaren Can-Am cars, I think in the 1970s,
> using large fans for the down force.
>
> IndyDave
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: adin at frontier.net [mailto:adin at frontier.net]
> Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 9:19 PM
> To: detomaso at list.realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>
>
> Little know fact, Bruce died testing some decades ago.  I doubt he has
> been "recently quoted" on anything.
>
> Just the fact, ma'am . . . . sorry.
>
>
>
> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
>
>>
>> Little known fact:  All McLaren automobiles have two, small fans
>> mounted on their engine covers ventilating the engine compartment.
>> They purchased the technology and associated patent from a
>> little-known financial planner who lives in Washington State.
>>
>> Bruce McLaren was recently quoted as saying that if it weren't for
>> that brilliant design concept, none of his cars would have ever
>> finished a race...
>>
>>
>> Chris
>> #3846
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:00:25 -0400
>>> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
>>> To: teampantera at yahoo.com
>>> CC: RKMosier at aol.com; guson at home.se; detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>>>
>>> OK, how about we just agree that McLaren knows a thing or two about this
> and
>>> that on the 1996 F1 Street Car which I think was the fastest production
> car
>>> on the planet until last year, the fresh air is brought in on the roof
> like
>>> the thing that some of you guys use over the roof.
>>>
>>> Just like the air intake on an Formula One car, high over the drivers
> head
>>> in the cleanest air they can find.
>>>
>>> Here is a group ( 10 teams ) that spend BILLIONS of dollars on research
>>> and employ the smartest car engineers in the world, all of them use
>>> air coolers ( even using portable fans powered by Makita batteries when
>>> pitted ) and they rarely let them idle at a stand sit except when waiting
> on
>>> the sessions to open and if you want to hear David Hobbs whine, let them
> sit
>>> there for more than 30 seconds and see what happens.
>>>
>>> I'm sure that if there was a better way, Flux Capacitor Nitrogen dipped,
>>> streamlined forced air triangulation induced induction with big brown
> dark
>>> raisin smuggler nipples - they'd be doing it!
>>>
>>> ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>> Michael in Savannah
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci
>>> <teampantera at yahoo.com>wrote:
>>>
>>> > Ahhhhh but we are talking a well engineered Porsche engine not a
> Pantera
>>> > FORD engine
>>> >
>>> > *"michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>* wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Same as used on many cars like my 944, a simple ducted route to
> unheated
>>> > air
>>> > that is sucked in by the induction system only.
>>> > It works or they wouldn't do it at Porsche.
>>> >
>>> > Michael in Savannah
>>> >
>>> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
>>> >
>>> > > Richard,
>>> > >
>>> > > I took a stock aircleaner in rough shape and modified it. I made a
> new
>>> > > snout to match the original aircleaner hole that went from a
> rectangular
>>> > > cross section to a round cross section. I then bought flex hose as
> used
>>> > for
>>> > > kitchen fans (i.e. it doesn't burn easily) and routed it towards the
>>> > ground.
>>> > > At "ground level" I simply made a short tube to clamp the hose to and
>>> > bolted
>>> > > the tube to the chassis. No scoop, no flaring, just a straight cut
> tube
>>> > end
>>> > > that points to the ground. I also filled the vacuum operated port and
>>> > > duplicated the snout/hose installation on the drivers side of
>>> the car. My
>>> > > air cleaner air temp is marginally above ambient at speed. All this
> is
>>> > > barely visible standing behind the car looking into the engine
>>> bay and to
>>> > > the unknowing appears stock.
>>> > >
>>> > > Tomas
>>> > >
>>> > > ----- Original Message -----
>>> > > From:
>>> >  > To:
>>> > > Cc:
>>> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:32 PM
>>> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > > > We have talked in the past about the gill area and air flow over
> them
>>> > and
>>> > > > scoops and such. Is the feeling that area is a negative pressure
> area?
>>> > > What I
>>> > > > am wondering is if you drew air through vents there, without scoops
>>> > > would it
>>> > > > be drawn into the air filter/carb at speed or would it be a
> negative
>>> > > > situation and actually be bad and reduce air to the carb when
>>>  at spped?
>>> > > In stop and
>>> > > > go traffic I assume it would be cooler air than that in the engine
>>> > > > compartment but could be bad a speed?
>>> > > >
>>> > > > I am just wondering if there is a easy (a relative term) to get air
>>> > > cooler
>>> > > > that the hot engine bay air into the carb without changing the
> lines
>>> > and
>>> > > design
>>> > > > of the car like scoops on the roof or gill area.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > This would not reduce the circulation in the engine compartment of
>>> > > course.
>>> > > > For that you would have to vent like the fans on the grill over the
>>> > > engine as
>>> > > > someone showed us pictures months back had done.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Perhaps I am going over old ideas.
>>> > > >
>>> > > > Richard
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