[DeTomaso] cooler air to carb

[Christopher Kimball]

...the post about the engine-cover fans was, you know, kind of a joke...(ask Mike Drew about that).

Sometime in the future I might write something such as, "As President Regan would say..." so be prepared!

Chris
#3846



> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 19:18:54 -0600
> From: adin at frontier.net
> To: detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
> 
> 
> Little know fact, Bruce died testing some decades ago.  I doubt he has  
> been "recently quoted" on anything.
> 
> Just the fact, ma'am . . . . sorry.
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Christopher Kimball <chrisvkimball at msn.com>:
> 
> >
> > Little known fact:  All McLaren automobiles have two, small fans   
> > mounted on their engine covers ventilating the engine compartment.    
> > They purchased the technology and associated patent from a   
> > little-known financial planner who lives in Washington State.
> >
> > Bruce McLaren was recently quoted as saying that if it weren't for   
> > that brilliant design concept, none of his cars would have ever   
> > finished a race...
> >
> >
> > Chris
> > #3846
> >
> >> Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2008 16:00:25 -0400
> >> From: michael at michaelshortt.com
> >> To: teampantera at yahoo.com
> >> CC: RKMosier at aol.com; guson at home.se; detomaso at realbig.com
> >> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
> >>
> >> OK, how about we just agree that McLaren knows a thing or two about this and
> >> that on the 1996 F1 Street Car which I think was the fastest production car
> >> on the planet until last year, the fresh air is brought in on the roof like
> >> the thing that some of you guys use over the roof.
> >>
> >> Just like the air intake on an Formula One car, high over the drivers head
> >> in the cleanest air they can find.
> >>
> >> Here is a group ( 10 teams ) that spend BILLIONS of dollars on research
> >> and employ the smartest car engineers in the world, all of them use
> >> air coolers ( even using portable fans powered by Makita batteries when
> >> pitted ) and they rarely let them idle at a stand sit except when waiting on
> >> the sessions to open and if you want to hear David Hobbs whine, let them sit
> >> there for more than 30 seconds and see what happens.
> >>
> >> I'm sure that if there was a better way, Flux Capacitor Nitrogen dipped,
> >> streamlined forced air triangulation induced induction with big brown dark
> >> raisin smuggler nipples - they'd be doing it!
> >>
> >> ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael in Savannah
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci   
> >> <teampantera at yahoo.com>wrote:
> >>
> >> > Ahhhhh but we are talking a well engineered Porsche engine not a Pantera
> >> > FORD engine
> >> >
> >> > *"michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com>* wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Same as used on many cars like my 944, a simple ducted route to unheated
> >> > air
> >> > that is sucked in by the induction system only.
> >> > It works or they wouldn't do it at Porsche.
> >> >
> >> > Michael in Savannah
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Richard,
> >> > >
> >> > > I took a stock aircleaner in rough shape and modified it. I made a new
> >> > > snout to match the original aircleaner hole that went from a rectangular
> >> > > cross section to a round cross section. I then bought flex hose as used
> >> > for
> >> > > kitchen fans (i.e. it doesn't burn easily) and routed it towards the
> >> > ground.
> >> > > At "ground level" I simply made a short tube to clamp the hose to and
> >> > bolted
> >> > > the tube to the chassis. No scoop, no flaring, just a straight cut tube
> >> > end
> >> > > that points to the ground. I also filled the vacuum operated port and
> >> > > duplicated the snout/hose installation on the drivers side of   
> >> the car. My
> >> > > air cleaner air temp is marginally above ambient at speed. All this is
> >> > > barely visible standing behind the car looking into the engine   
> >> bay and to
> >> > > the unknowing appears stock.
> >> > >
> >> > > Tomas
> >> > >
> >> > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > From:
> >> >  > To:
> >> > > Cc:
> >> > > Sent: Friday, October 10, 2008 7:32 PM
> >> > > Subject: [DeTomaso] cooler air to carb
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > > We have talked in the past about the gill area and air flow over them
> >> > and
> >> > > > scoops and such. Is the feeling that area is a negative pressure area?
> >> > > What I
> >> > > > am wondering is if you drew air through vents there, without scoops
> >> > > would it
> >> > > > be drawn into the air filter/carb at speed or would it be a negative
> >> > > > situation and actually be bad and reduce air to the carb when  
> >>  at spped?
> >> > > In stop and
> >> > > > go traffic I assume it would be cooler air than that in the engine
> >> > > > compartment but could be bad a speed?
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I am just wondering if there is a easy (a relative term) to get air
> >> > > cooler
> >> > > > that the hot engine bay air into the carb without changing the lines
> >> > and
> >> > > design
> >> > > > of the car like scoops on the roof or gill area.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > This would not reduce the circulation in the engine compartment of
> >> > > course.
> >> > > > For that you would have to vent like the fans on the grill over the
> >> > > engine as
> >> > > > someone showed us pictures months back had done.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Perhaps I am going over old ideas.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Richard
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