[DeTomaso] cooler air to carb

Fri Oct 10 16:06:23 EDT 2008

I still think we're comparing apples and oranges....but you may be right...good response ;-)
  As the Pope said earlier we also gotta look at 'data' of the coolers we are talking about too....and how big that MOFO is that is on the McLaren..As Dick Drenske and Mike Trusty who are both mechanical engineers have told me repeatedly (I hear blah-blah) 
  "Dawg, you don't understand the flow characteristics of _________________(fill in blanks)
  Well of course I don't...I am the driver....I don't need to understand them...
  Hand me me gloves and helmet 

"michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote:
      OK, how about we just agree that McLaren knows a thing or two about this and that on the 1996 F1 Street Car which I think was the fastest production car on the planet until last year, the fresh air is brought in on the roof like the thing that some of you guys use over the roof.

  Just like the air intake on an Formula One car, high over the drivers head in the cleanest air they can find.

  Here is a group ( 10 teams ) that spend BILLIONS of dollars on research
  and employ the smartest car engineers in the world, all of them use
  air coolers ( even using portable fans powered by Makita batteries when pitted ) and they rarely let them idle at a stand sit except when waiting on the sessions to open and if you want to hear David Hobbs whine, let them sit there for more than 30 seconds and see what happens.

  I'm sure that if there was a better way, Flux Capacitor Nitrogen dipped, streamlined forced air triangulation induced induction with big brown dark raisin smuggler nipples - they'd be doing it!

  ;-)

  Michael in Savannah

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:51 PM, Mad Dog Antenucci <teampantera at yahoo.com> wrote:
  Ahhhhh but we are talking a well engineered Porsche engine not a Pantera FORD engine   

"michael at michaelshortt.com" <michael at michaelshortt.com> wrote: 
    Same as used on many cars like my 944, a simple ducted route to unheated air
that is sucked in by the induction system only.
It works or they wouldn't do it at Porsche.

Michael in Savannah

  On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 2:07 PM, Tomas Gunnarsson wrote:

> Richard,
>
> I took a stock aircleaner in rough shape and modified it. I made a new
> snout to match the original aircleaner hole that went from a rectangular
> cross section to a round cross section. I then bought flex hose as used for
> kitchen fans (i.e. it doesn't burn easily) and routed it towards the ground.
> At "ground level" I simply made a short tube to clamp the hose to and bolted
> the tube to the chassis. No scoop, no flaring, just a straight cut tube end
> that points to the ground. I also filled the vacuum operated port and
> duplicated the snout/hose installation on the drivers side of the car. My
> air cleaner air temp is marginally above ambient at speed. All this is
> barely visible standing behind the car looking into the engine bay and to
> the unknowing appears stock.
>
> Tomas
>
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>
> > We have talked in the past about the gill area and air flow over them and
> > scoops and such. Is the feeling that area is a negative pressure area?
> What I
> > am wondering is if you drew air through vents there, without scoops
> would it
> > be drawn into the air filter/carb at speed or would it be a negative
> > situation and actually be bad and reduce air to the carb when at spped?
> In stop and
> > go traffic I assume it would be cooler air than that in the engine
> > compartment but could be bad a speed?
> >
> > I am just wondering if there is a easy (a relative term) to get air
> cooler
> > that the hot engine bay air into the carb without changing the lines and
> design
> > of the car like scoops on the roof or gill area.
> >
> > This would not reduce the circulation in the engine compartment of
> course.
> > For that you would have to vent like the fans on the grill over the
> engine as
> > someone showed us pictures months back had done.
> >
> > Perhaps I am going over old ideas.
> >
> > Richard
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