[DeTomaso] Pantera Aerodynamics

Tue Nov 11 22:04:20 EST 2008

Without the Vegas conflict, JT also aims to mount an assault!

JT
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To: "michael frazier" <red3644 at hotmail.com>; <detomaso-bounces at realbig.com>; 
"pantera list" <detomaso at realbig.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aerodynamics

> Agreed...will be there...maybe Bob Benson too from left coast n maybe the 
> Pope Adin n Tom DiIulio from colorado
>
> MD
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com>
>
> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:02:56
> To: Dennis Antenucci<teampantera at yahoo.com>; pantera 
> list<detomaso at realbig.com>
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera Aerodynamics
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>  I hate to tell you this, but it's near the end of 2008 and there was a 
> race in April.  That's where this shot came from.  I had a 140mph
> tech speed but couldn't miss a good photo op and sound effects for the 
> team.  Not bad for a 125hp.  The '96 Vette belonged to Jim (navi)
> and we ran it while I was getting this last Pantera running.  This year 
> the Pantera did touch the frame right at the back, but I have a
> jacking plate and it just cleaned the grease off.  The car is pretty 
> low...the lower control arms are angled up slightly towards the wheels.
> I've had the other 2 cars up to these speeds before with no aero mods and 
> didn't have any problems.  This Gp4 car was just as stable but
> we were running a faster average speed.  Moving up 20mph average is a big 
> jump on that road.  So I don't know if the air dam or the flat black
> paint contributed to that, probably both.  Even the Vette guys were glad 
> to see a Pantera back at the event.  Really, I got more response
> from them than any other group.  Everybody loved the black.  The tires are 
> showing the cords so I have to paint them black too.
>  I think we (Team Pantera) are going to make an all out assault on Big 
> Bend this year.  That's a good thing.  After the women and children get
> over their initial fear, they get so friendly and cuddly.  :)  Be there.
> Michael
> Gruppo Rompiculi Corsa Y'all  BBORR April 2009
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> Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:47:14 -0800From: teampantera at yahoo.comSubject: 
> Re: [DeTomaso] Pantera AerodynamicsTo: red3644 at hotmail.com; 
> mikeldrew at aol.com; detomaso at realbig.com
> Wait a minute...I just went to the BBORR web site.....Of course those two 
> Bobo's were NOT driving a Pantera last year...it was a '96 GM Veeeeeeeete 
> in 2007.  And yea his Corvette didn't have any lift running 120 to 150 
> because both their fat asses kept the Corvette from falling apart or 
> regrading the road at those slow poke speeds!
>
> When 250 pound Larry Stock and his 250 pound naviquesser did the Pony 
> Express with us they tried but failed to grind down the road lip over a 
> bridge...wiped out his suspension or what was left of it! Bridge 
> survived...Afterwards we had to change Larry's Depends. ;-]>
>
> Seriously and all kidding of MF'r and his one time run in his Vette he 
> still is the man to beat in locking in time and distance...In fact I think 
> the reason he ran his Vette was because of some ugly rumors that the Vette 
> guys really did not believe his Pantera was a REAL Pantera...... I think 
> the operative word here is "Real Pantera" and at what speed aero drag 
> becomes a challenge.
>
> I know the Pantera stock out of the box is good for sustained speeds up to 
> 160 with just a few minor changes MF'r and others have wrote about. The 
> Big Bend ORR is a challenging road. Lots of elevation changes and off 
> camber turns. You do not want to get in over your head on that or any of 
> the other ORR roads in Nebraska or Mexico. Lots of turns, drop offs and 
> blind hills. All great roads for spirited legal driving at speed.
>
> When MF'r ran an average of just under 125 Mph in the Corvette which is 
> still a handfull on that Fort Stockton to Sanderson and back road he did 
> so knowing he would sacrafice one for the team. ;-]>
>
> I originally ran my Pantera at ALL the open road races with no air dam, 
> side skirts or rear wings. And did not need them  for Texas either. And 
> really have not needed them below 140 in the Nevada ORR's....when you 
> start running '' sustained-average " speeds of 140+ plus then you can 
> greatly appreciate the aero improvements.
>
> okay, done pissing off my buds in Texas! ;-]>
> See you'all in April
>
> Mad Dawg
>
> michael frazier <red3644 at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Mike Drew wrote: Although it's possible that your front trunk is 
> pressurized, I wouldn't necessarily bet on it. The top of the hood is 
> shaped exactly like an airplane wing, and probably generates an enormous 
> amount of lift all by itself; the trunk isn't strong enough to resist 
> deformation at those speeds. You could try adding material to the front 
> trunk weatherstripping (that is, adding another layer of stick-on 
> weatherstripping on the top to ensure a good seal with the hood) and see 
> what happens?Some vendor's carbon fiber units are often much, much worse 
> in this regard. Even vented carbon fiber hoods aren't strong enough, and 
> will bow enough to pop open above 100 mph. Geoff Peters threw one or two 
> of them away before buying one from Sigbjorn in Norway that was properly 
> made.I thought about that too. It does have the right shape but the angle 
> of attack is pretty high too. I'm thinking those even out. There has to be 
> a great deal ofpressure up high behind the radiator too. Anyway, just 
> posted the pic for general info. The car looks a bit low in back because 
> the 345-35s are too short for a Pantera with Gp4 flares. Destined to run 
> grooved slicks. And as Dave suggested we were accelerating briskly when we 
> made the pass. Luckilyno radar points were around or we would not have 
> taken another win. So, no real front lift problems. That style air dam 
> works for me (with bracing behind it).We'll do another test near the end 
> of April at Big Bend! See everyone there.MichaelGruppo Rompiculi Corsa!! 
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