[DeTomaso] Cobra / Shelby Club Race at Willow Springs / RearDeckLid Needed

Dan Courtney dfcex at pacbell.net
Wed May 14 20:03:22 EDT 2008


Michael,

"The Beast" is never driven on the street, except when getting loaded onto 
it's trailer and it NEVER goes slow (the battery would die, the alternator 
is driven off the transaxle so we could shove the engine forward) and it 
never leaks (yeah, right) - I'll just install a drain plug.
It's got a fire bottle with nozzles aimed at the engine (and driver) but why 
would this be a fire hazard?

Dan

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Ken Green" <kenn_green at yahoo.com>; <detomaso-bounces at realbig.com>; "Dan 
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Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cobra / Shelby Club Race at Willow Springs / 
RearDeckLid Needed


> For race cars belly pans are ok but you can overdo it and cause lift esp 
> on a car already shaped like a wing.  Terrible idea for street cars. 
> Serious fire hazard.  Aside from dripage and leaks. You reduce air flow to 
> cool various parts esp at low speed.   Very few race cars that are not 
> purpose built have ground effects trays including funny cars. Fia sedans. 
> Pro stock. Etc. Michael in savannah
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ken Green <kenn_green at yahoo.com>
>
> Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 16:40:43
> To:Dan Courtney <dfcex at excaliburre.com>,John Taphorn 
> <jtaphorn at kingwoodcable.com>, detomaso at realbig.com
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cobra / Shelby Club Race at Willow Springs / Rear
> DeckLid Needed
>
>
> Dan,
>
>      Venting all the radiator air flow through the hood seems like a 
> better first step because it is reported to make the car stable up to 
> crazy speeds, and also would reduce the air under the car that reaches the 
> rear.
>
>  Ken
>
> Dan Courtney <dfcex at pacbell.net> wrote:
>  John,
>
> A belly pan has been discussed a couple of time.
> I guess the first step is to add the front air dam.
> If the deck lid fly's off a third time either louvers or a belly pan will
> have to be next up for "The Beast".
>
> Dan
> Dan F. Courtney
>
>
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> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "John Taphorn"
> To: "Dan Courtney" ;
> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 5:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Cobra / Shelby Club Race at Willow Springs / Rear
> DeckLid Needed
>
>
>> Or a partial belly pan under the engine. I'd like to see that
>> experimented with and it's effect on cooling. Eventually, I will get to
>> it myself. I like the idea of preventing all the road debris from
>> littering my engine compartment.
>>
>>
>> JT
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Dan Courtney"
>> To:
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:50 AM
>> Subject: [DeTomaso] Cobra / Shelby Club Race at Willow Springs / Rear
>> DeckLid Needed
>>
>>
>>> "The Beast" was running great on the Willow Springs track this weekend.
>>> It was the only Pantera in the Cobra / Shelby Club and ran in their race
>>> group. Never got passed and passed 7 or 8 of their fastest, including
>>> some original Trans Am racers who compete at the Coronado Speed Festival
>>> and the Vintage Races at Laguna Seca / Monterey. I love it when a plan
>>> comes together!
>>> The only problem was the carbon fiber deck lid blew off again (after
>>> having new "industrial strength" fasteners fabbed the day before). It 
>>> got
>>> crushed by a vintage '64 Falcon Trans Am racer and needs to be replaced.
>>> Please let me know if anyone has a lead on one.
>>> I also have to find a front air dam. Speculation is the absence of one 
>>> is
>>> causing too much air to get trapped under the car and pressing the rear
>>> deck lid upwards.
>>> If a front air dam doesn't solve it then I'll need to louver the deck
>>> lid. I already have a clear out for the air through the rear screen 
>>> where
>>> the AC condenser used to be but there is still too much air pushing up,
>>> (up up and away for the deck lid).
>>> I can say for sure though this car holds the road MUCH better without a
>>> deck lid (they let me run without).
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> Dan F. Courtney
>>>
>>>
>>> Excalibur Commercial Real Estate Services
>>> La Jolla, CA
>>>
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>>> Fax (858) 551-5456
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