[DeTomaso] Timing Problem

Art Stephens artstephens at charter.net
Sat Mar 1 20:11:47 EST 2008 

     I think so.




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "David in Durango" <adin at frontier.net>
To: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:31 PM
Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Timing Problem


> Sure you got all the wires in the correct place?
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Art Stephens" <artstephens at charter.net>
> To: <detomaso at realbig.com>
> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 4:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Timing Problem
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>>> Are you sure you are getting good spark? Did you have the key on when 
>>> you
>>> adjusted the valves?
>>
>>        I pulled every plug wire one at a time last night while the engine
>> was running to make sure I was getting fire at every cylinder.  I had 
>> fire
>> at all eight cylinders but now that you mention it,  the fire may have 
>> been
>> more orange than blue?  I don't think I had the key on when I adjusted 
>> the
>> valves?
>>
>> Thanks Larry,
>> Art
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com [mailto:detomaso-bounces at realbig.com]
>>> On
>>> Behalf Of Art Stephens
>>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:40 PM
>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Timing Problem
>>>
>>>     If my ignition had been timed to 16 degrees at idle with the vacuum
>>> line plugged,  what should I see with the engine not running while 
>>> looking
>>> at the timing pointer and #1 piston at TDC on the compression stroke?
>>> Should the rotor be pointing 16 degrees before the #1 terminal on the 
>>> cap
>>> or
>>>
>>> should it be pointing straight to the #1 terminal?  I guess this is
>>> another
>>> way of asking if there is supposed to be any advance taking place at 
>>> idle?
>>>
>>> Art
>>>
>>>
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>>>>        Thanks Larry,  I looked at the pin and it looks to be in place, 
>>>> I
>>>> can see all the way thru it.  I have disconnected the battery and will
>>>> try
>>>> again.
>>>>
>>>> Art
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I do like the pin idea. Pull the diz to
>>>>> take a look.
>>>>>
>>>>> Larry
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: detomaso-bounces at realbig.com 
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>>>>> On
>>>>> Behalf Of Art Stephens
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 5:19 PM
>>>>> To: detomaso at realbig.com
>>>>> Subject: Re: [DeTomaso] Timing Problem
>>>>>
>>>>>     Even if I screwed up the valve adjustment,  that should have no
>>>>> affect
>>>>> on ignition timing should it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Art
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>     It passed the straw test.  So it does appear that 0 degrees on 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> timing mark is in fact TDC on #1.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>     I adjusted my right side, (1-4), valves on my hydraulic roller 
>>>>>>> cam
>>>>>>> engine with adjustable roller rockers.  I had the distributor cap 
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> wires off during the project.  Now my timing is all screwed up.  My
>>>>>>> timing
>>>>>>> light shows that I am way retarded and the engine now runs bad where
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> ran smooth before the work.  I am stumped!  I didn't touch the
>>>>>>> distributor
>>>>>>> adjustment.  I have the MSD adjustable timing control.  I thought I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the distributor set a 16 degrees BTDC.  That is not what I am 
>>>>>>> seeing.
>>>>>>> The
>>>>>>> light shows 10 -15 degrees ATDC?  With the engine not running,  the
>>>>>>> rotor
>>>>>>> is pointing to the #1 terminal on the cap as the balancer shows 0
>>>>>>> degrees
>>>>>>> advance.  I disabled the adjustable timing control to see if it was
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> problem and I saw no improvement.  I am going to go get a plastic
>>>>>>> straw
>>>>>>> and stick it down the #1 cylinder and see what the timing mark on 
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> balancer shows with the piston at TDC.  I took the Duraspark II
>>>>>>> distributor apart and could find no problems.  The distributor gear
>>>>>>> appears to be pinned in its proper place.  Spark plug wires all 
>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> be going to the correct cylinders.  I thought it must have been
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> stupid I did,  but I can't figure it out.  It has a new harmonic
>>>>>>> balancer.
>>>>>>> The only thing I can think of is that maybe one of the timing gears
>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>> moved on its shaft?  Help!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Art
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